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View Poll Results: Should posts be limited to editing time or none? If so, how long
NO editing allowed 4 3.77%
Yes, 30 minutes 31 29.25%
Yes 3 hours 11 10.38%
Yes 24/48 hours 18 16.98%
Yes open ended 31 29.25%
Don't care either way 11 10.38%
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Old 13.09.2009, 12:27
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

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It was blocked at 30 minutes a few days ago and a huge discussion about it in another thread...
They want to cap it in the future I think.
Policy: Deletions / Edits of messages

this is 'actually' what Ed Bob said, no mention of 'capping' in future (my bold)

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The restriction has now been rolled back.

Editing of posts is now unlimited again, as it was until a couple of weeks ago.

This is only a temporary solution though.

In the long-term we'll find another way to prevent abusive/spam edits. This will probably involve re-introducing the edit restriction for newer members, but allowing longer-term and/or high-reputation members to edit without limit. Currently the vBulletin software doesn't allow for this, but we'll re-program it so that it does.
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Old 13.09.2009, 15:19
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

I'm curious why there would be a "need" for general open-ended edit ability?

I can see a need for there be enough time to edit things in the sell / buy or jobs offered / wanted type threads after a relatively long (say a week) period of time but otherwise I'd think the opportunity and ability to edit within a 3hr period would be sufficient.

While it is poor forum etiquette to dredge up old posts, this forum takes exception with folks who post duplicate threads... meanwhile, some of the old information may not be valid / relevant any longer anyhow.

Editing unlimited would help with the "no longer valid" issue of making use of old posts but then any non-edited posts within the thread would then appear nonsensical.

So, I think a 3hr window should be enabled with exception (if possible) to threads in the Market Place and that there should be an easing of sentiment regarding duplication of old threads.
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Old 13.09.2009, 16:50
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

Open-ended editing

Positives:
  • Trusts members with the freedom to retract posts they later regret, or to correct spelling, typos, and grammar.
  • Enables members to maintain info posts as if they were wiki pages, e.g. ChrisW's guide page about cycling in Switzerland.
Negatives:
  • Spammers can make harmless posts initially, then go back and add spam links later undetected. There are spambots that do this automatically en masse.
  • Abusive members can go back and mess up thread continuity. There are two types of such members:
    • Those that repeatedly edit while a thread of conversation is still live, this is annoying to other members. These members can be effectively threatened with a ban.
    • Those who get the hump with EF for one reason or another, decide to leave, but before they do they delete all their posts. The threat of a ban is ineffective because they want to leave anyway.
The pros and cons are pretty evenly matched.

Seeing as for many years, i.e. from the site's inception until middle of this year, editing was always open ended and unrestricted, we are going to stick with that policy for now so as to maintain the status quo.

In the future, however, we will try to find a way to enable trusted members to edit indefinitely while at the same time defending against spammers and abusive members. How we'll achieve this is not yet known. Unfortunately the vBulletin software doesn't make it easy to achieve what we want to.
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Old 13.09.2009, 17:04
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

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A few weeks ago, you mean.

And now it's open ended.

I don't see, therefore, what the problem is.
I only found out 09.09.09, so the other day for me.
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Old 13.09.2009, 17:18
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

Yes, time should be limited - i have gone back to see why a user seemed only to groan at people, and it seemed she had been groaned at a lot, but had deleted her posts. Seems silly.
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Old 13.09.2009, 17:58
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

30 minutes should be more than adequate to amend errors that haven't been spotted in Preview Post. Editing after replies often affects the continuity of the thread.

If there is something materially wrong, then an additional post should be submitted. In extreme cases (I cannot think of any right now) mods should be able to amend posts.
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Old 16.09.2009, 17:08
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

Hmmmm, with almost 30,000 members, we only have 50 odd voting on this...

Maybe it isn't THAT important after all.... (except for those of us who voted)

Hey mods, what is the time to which an account is deleted if it has not been accessed? Wouldn't that clean this place up some?
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Old 16.09.2009, 17:11
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Hmmmm, with almost 30,000 members, we only have 50 odd voting on this...

Maybe it isn't THAT important after all.... (except for those of us who voted)

Hey mods, what is the time to which an account is deleted if it has not been accessed? Wouldn't that clean this place up some?
I think because the edit function has been re instated so no need to vote anymore?
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Old 16.09.2009, 17:15
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

Aw, don't cry... 50 responses isn't half bad really, you know! Please don't cry.

If I could vote twice to make you feel better I would...
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Old 16.09.2009, 17:21
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Aw, don't cry... 50 responses isn't half bad really, you know! Please don't cry.

If I could vote twice to make you feel better I would...
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Old 22.11.2009, 19:13
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

just need a few minutes after I post to see that there's some grammar mistakes...

if I can see them....
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Old 22.11.2009, 19:29
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

PLEEEASE don't remind me of this again.

The short time when the EDIT was time-limited was, to my mind, AWFUL.

For one thing, I seldom see my mistakes straight away and, much more important, I regularly add links and more information to old posts of mine when I discover more relevant stuff. And I'm by no means the only one who keeps info up to date.

Of course, I don't change the contents of any 'discussion' posts I've written previously, merely the ones containing links and addresses.

To my mind, if there is a Sticky, it makes much more sense to put the stuff into nice lists in one or two posts at the beginning before any discussion or topic-wandering starts. It's much harder to find what one is looking for if 'Child-Care Centres' for example are scattered through thirty posts.

During our few days of 'no-go-editing' I kept having to ask Mods to change things for me and they really have better things to occupy their time.
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Old 22.11.2009, 19:37
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

My spelling is attroshious, as is my grammer. I know I should check it before "submitting it" but for some reason I don't see it until I have posted it.
30 minutes gives you enough time.
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Old 22.11.2009, 19:38
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

If you add new things to old posts, how people can read it ? I rarely read again old posts I have already read, only mine....
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Old 22.11.2009, 19:46
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

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The short time when the EDIT was time-limited was, to my mind, AWFUL.
That's a matter of perspective and which side of the fence you're standing on.
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During our few days of 'no-go-editing' I kept having to ask Mods to change things for me and they really have better things to occupy their time.
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By the way the Poll results are more in favor of some sort of a time limit than not (2 to 1).

Yes to limits:

30min = 31
3hrs. = 11
24/48hrs. = 18
Total = 60

Yes Open ended = 31

No editing at all = 4

don't care either way = 11
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Old 22.11.2009, 19:52
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If you add new things to old posts, how people can read it ? I rarely read again old posts I have already read, only mine....
It depends what sort of posts you write whether people are likely to read them later or not.

A lot of people ask a lot of questions on the Forum. Some of us like to answer some of them. A ' personal instant' reply may be wrong, out-of-date a week later, only relevant for a certain parish...

If we post a relevant link, the person putting the question can see where the information is to be found and can look further himself if he needs more details.

So, many of us write posts with links in. When other folk ask the same question later, one can tell them to use the Search Function or (if one is having a very good day) direct them to the original answer.

Basically, this is what Stickies are for. For folk to look for things for themselves... but to make this work, they should be up-to-date. And some of the Threads which are not sticky have a lot of good info which can be kept up-to-date too.

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Old 22.11.2009, 22:28
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

Original thread poster gets unlimited editing rights....so they can keep their first post updated with information from later in the thread, like the cycling thread.
All other posters get a time limit on their posts, 1 hour maybe...delete function stays, so you can delete your post if you made a tool of yourself.

Any editing after the time limit must be approved by a mod.

Aptly an EDIT: If you are going to use reputation to decide on editing rights, then reputation needs to be moderated.
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I just posted my first post and cannot edit it ten seconds later. I never saw an edit button. So my post has duplicated text and I have reported myself to ask a mod to fix it.

And yes me too, I am unable to see errors until I have posted. Preview makes no difference. I do read my posts and correct them immediately - when editing is not disabled.

So limiting new posters, not new members as I am not new, is embarrassing.

Anthony - post number 2.

and since I cannot edit that, zero edit tolerance, I see that because I "reported" my first post it is now marked and I am tarred with having been "groaned" at.

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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

Yes, it's true that some functions are open only to users who've been around for a while, or who have contributed a certain number of posts. I don't know the exact rules, but they're in place to protect the forum from newbies who join with bad intentions, to stir trouble or bombard the forum with nonsense.

Experienced users do get the chance to go back and change their own posts. Even so, if you, while you're still new, feel you need to change something in a post of yours, you can write a PM directly to one of the mods, to ask them to please make the change for you. You could ask, for example, 3Wishes, roegner or Ace1.

Groans, by the way, are something else. Any member (perhaps not the very newbies, I don't know) can click on "Groan" or or "Thanks" for any post by anyone. Since each user has their own personal opinion of when something is worth being groaned at, or thanked, it really is rather random, especially at first. Over time, though, a pattern emerges.
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Re: Concerning all users - Should time be limited to edit your post?

I think “groan” should be changed to “I disagree”. And related to the post and not the poster. Remove groans from the scoreboard, that’s what blobbies are for.
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