http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373898,00.asp

what do you think of this. samsung can't make phone software for toffee, but if google is controlling the software updates, then maybe this could be compelling?

Saw this on my Google main page today.

http://www.google.com.au/nexus/#/tech-specs

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Sigh, another pretender to the iPhone crown.

These things are best left to the experts.

UTH, I groaned you, then removed it. The iPhone is to a smart phone as the iPad is to a laptop. All form, no function.

That phone doesn't seem dissimilar to my Desire HD. How is it better?

Seriously, how many attempts have Samsung/HTC etc had to have a pop at the iPhone ? They need to innovate and come up with something new. This nipping at the iPhones heels all the time is techno-monotony. All the new models confuse people, the older ones are left to rot, it must be bloody annoying buying the latest and greatest 'iPhone killer' only to see another attempt a few months later with another model from the same vendor.

The solution is simple, look at the iPhone strengths, specs and desirabilities. Then design your phone to beat them the iPhone on all points, then release it.

How many attempts do Samsung, HTC, Sony et al need ?

no more. HTC already beat iphone with the Desire. all the new models are widening the lead.

android now has more marketshare than iphone and also more units shipped. apple will either be happy to take the bulk of the profits by sitting at the premium end of the market. however, i think they will have to respond by producing a lower cost iphone mini.

apple have a huge advantage in that they control hardware and software, and more importantly have a vision on where to develop the device.

The phone I'm currently waiting on is the HTC sensation. It gives me a semi.

1.2GHz dual core PHWOAR

for the foresable future no one will unseat apple, sure andriod os may outsell apple but so what? loads of companies produce andiod phones, and it still relies on the manufaturer supporting the phone, 6 months down the line when they have had enough and your on your own, no updates, bug fixes apps etc

As I found out with the sony X1, no promised upgrade, no updates, sony moved onto a new os and now can't be arsed with the x1.

Apple have got it spot on, 1 phone, 1 OS keep it alive as long as possible, easy upgrade if you buy a new iphone = happy customer

all htc are doing by producing a new phone every 5 minutes is shooting themselves in the foot.

I'm pretty sure all of those andoid makers would kill to have a slice of apples pie

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You see, that's what people tell Apple since the 80s when it comes to their computers. They had their ups and downs, but I'd say their strategy worked out quite well in the end.

I have worked in a device department of a mobile operator and I can tell you that you ONLY make money on the high end phones. If they are selling some low end Nokia for 50 CHF at Aldi does Nokia maybe see some 25 CHFs. How much margin can there be on it if you have to develop, produce and ship it for that price...? Even if you sell millions of them do you hardly make as much money as on few thousand premium products...

I personally am not able to see their future vision of the iPhone to be honest... But that's actually not the point - I see their business vision and that's a real game changer: they control far more than the hardware and operating system!

First there was iTunes to sell music, then they started to sell some video content, then some mobile phone apps and not even mac applications - Apple controls the entire value chain! If you buy a PC game in Media market, I'd say that at least half goes to media market, some money to the distributor, the factory that makes the physical DVD and the package and in the end maybe some 20% to the software producer.
Apple can make a fortune by not attacking the other players in the market, but by attacking the weaker parts in the value chain - small shops that before lived on being the only one in the city selling Mac software... distributors, all middle men. They might even pay a bit more to the software houses (at first) to keep them happy.
All they want are some large operators and electronics chains to push out one box with the hardware to the customer and then take it from there alone. By having the premium customers you will have far more revenue from that side as well - people who buy a 500 CHF phone are more likely to spend some 5 CHF on a game than someone with a 50 CHF phone...

How have they got 1 OS? Does the original iPhone have all the software features of the iPhone 4? No it doesn't. It doesn't even multi task! The iPhone 3G doesn't even multitask without a jailbreak.

Multi-tasking is a BIG miss in iPhone..!

true, they have a very good business. and they also execute well and don't do things by halves.

i'm sure the iphone was just a defensive measure when the risk of mp3 players being integrated into phones threatened the ipod cash cow. but they made the best phone from this.

likewise, when market for mobile casual gaming became apparent, they ran with it, integrated gyro/accelerometers and brought out the ipod touch.

seeing the success of the itunes goliath, it was only a matter of time before they tried to emulate this in films and books.

another step i see for them is to take some of the operator value chain. for me, a killer blow would be for apple to abstract away the operators and become their own virtual operator. imagine having an apple SIM card with apple signing deals with major telecoms in all countries and have them eliminate roaming charges. they are the only company i see who would have the vision, aggression and sheer balls to pull something like that off.

mobile payments is another potential gold mine.

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Not even close Phil. I had an iPhone 3GS that I gave to my girlfriend, so I could "upgrade" to a Desire, as I wanted to check out Android. Prior to the iPhone I'd had 5 years worth of WinMob phones, which I hacked, rooted, customised etc. The Desire lasted until the day the iPhone 4 came out and I was counting down the days after about a month with the Desire.

For me, Android is just WinMob done well. I'm struggling to see how the Desire or any other Android beats the iPhone, never mind widens the lead. There are only two things I can think of that Android beats iOS for - widgets and notifications (both of which were functions on WinMob though not as well implemented). I strongly suspect iOS 5 will address both these points and neither of them were strong enough to overcome the shortcomings of the Desire to me.

Where the iPhone is stronger in my view (in no particular order)- screen, smoothness/speed of the UI, Simpleness of the UI, Apps both quality and quantity, integration with OS X, battery life, multiple exchange servers (HTC may have fixed this), iPod/iTunes. It's definitely not perfect (eg I want widgets/info feeds on my lock screen and five icons at the bottom without jailbreaking), but it's the best phone I've had. When I had the Desire, I used to say it was the second best phone I'd had. Unfortunately the 3GS was better.

Sure it's not as customisable as an Android phone, but I've no desire to root it, flash custom ROMs on it etc. I'm a bit of a geek at heart, but in truth the only reason I did that with WinMob and was tempted to with Android was to try and improve the experience. I genuinely don't feel the need to do that with iOS. And despite what the geeks and penguin freaks might want to think, neither do the vast majority of people who buy Android. They buy it because it's cheap, not because it's open-source (ha ha) or hackable, but because it's cheap, because your San Francisco offers them an entry into smartphone-dom for a similar price to what they pay for a feature phone.


And this says it all for me. I don't know what speed the processor is in my phone. I think I read somewhere that it has 512MB RAM. I don't need to know, because I know that it is fast enough for anything I throw at it. I just hope your new phone comes with a 2000mAh battery so it can survive a day.

You aren't a very good geek if you don't care about the processor or the specs in your phone!

Saying that dual core processor are very efficient and have seen to have better battery life than their single core counterparts. Much like the iPad2 getting the same battery life as the iPad1 despite being thinner and having a dual core processor.

The nexus S is hardly cheap at £430 pound for the sim free version.

You, just like everyone else, is entitled to their opinion. I went from a 3GS to a Desire and was very impressed. Using my Brother's 3GS now I feel like I get whiplash! Both excellent phones, but, IMO, the Desire is streaks ahead of the 3GS

everyone has their own tastes etc. i think the iphone is a great piece of consumer electronics and is much more polished than most (all?) android phones.

the android phones are more for geeks/developers.

in the end, the mass market probably doesn't care too much about the phone and will buy on price/features/brand (hell, everyone was happy to put up with the crap that came out pre-iphone). i think the ease of use and brand will ensure sales of iphones for years to come.

for me, the main selling point of android is the openness and the ability to customize/hack the phone. which includes:

- the ability to get rid of adverts
- the ability to connect to computer via USB and simply copy files to and from all parts of the phone
- the ability to inter-operate with windows and linux
- the ability, when writing emails, to be able attach a photo to that email
- interoperability between phone and tablet
- and to have that tablet available in a 7" form factor

for me, even basics such as copying mp3s onto the device (don't even get started on copying them off again!) was a hassle with apple products.

i'd actually go for a 100CHF san francisco, over the iphone4.

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+1 waiting on the sensation, seen anything regarding carrier info?

I've been using it for a long time now, and will highly recommend it to anybody. I've used iPhone before and couple other Android based phones.

It's an Android phone emphasizing the "Google experience", meaning it does not have any of the bloatware you normally get with other phone manufacturers - they think they are customizing Android and make it better, but they normally achieve the opposite Nexus S is like a flagship phone that Google want to throw out to the market so that there is a reference point to how nice an Android phone can be.

I work in the IT industry, therefore I do have my own reasons to like Android & dislike Apple. I don't expect other people to always agree with me though. After all iPhone is a great phone too, the things it's designed to do, it does it very well. I just hate all the lock-ins & closed platform and stuff.