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Old 17.01.2011, 13:35
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Denied entry into the UK

My friend & his wife planned a weekend trip to London. He's an Australian national on a B permit in CH. His wife is American, and has just joined him from Australia. Her passport has a Schengen visa -family reunion. They pulled up at the Heathrow, and immediately were interrogated.
The home office personnel asked them if they had any funds -they had 200 quid just to get a taxi to their hotel etc...They use mainly their credit cards to avoid having to carry loads of cash around. They were then asked for detailed plans to where they're exactly going in the city -names of museums, restaurants etc...
After a few hours, they were denied entry with a big X mark on their passports...They also paid for the return ticket which wasn't small. The paper they were given lists the reasons for denial as: Using their Swiss residence to gain entry to the UK with the intention of overstaying and working illegally?!?
Wife didn't have her B permit yet.

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Old 17.01.2011, 13:39
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

Yes, they should reply to them asking if they seriously believed anyone with Swiss B permit would like to work and overstay in the UK. *

*refering to High taxes, stupid government, High unemployment rate and unability from the shit government to solve that, VAT increase and crappy saving rate.

PS: good thing in UK is you can complain about anything:
http://ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/contact/makingacomplaint/

They should write , explaining what happened and proving their accusation is false. (example:"I was refused entry to the UK when I arrived at the UK border, and I want to appeal" is an option there:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/co...ow-to-complain
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Old 17.01.2011, 13:42
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

Very surprising result.

Maybe their stories about the family reunion didn't add up?

I suppose there's no point in appealing?
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Old 17.01.2011, 13:46
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

Sorry to hear that, seems they got a particularly bored and spiteful jobsworth that day. They could kick up a stink, but it's unlikely to achieve anything, especially concerning something as emotive as immigration.
Two points though; UK is not part of Schengen and do Australian citizens not need a visa to enter the UK?
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Very surprising result.

Maybe their stories about the family reunion didn't add up?

I suppose there's no point in appealing?
there's always point

Especially how bad such an entry will look (its probably on recorded data now).
Also, they can prove they have Swiss permit, etc, give evidence to show they had no intentions to do what they were accused of.

They relied on some office people at the airport who made decision- those are not always right.

I find funny they make such a fuss to someone with Swiss Permis B (on how difficult it is to obtain) and yet let thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants inside the UK.

I guess that's politics.
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Sorry to hear that, seems they got a particularly bored and spiteful jobsworth that day. They could kick up a stink, but it's unlikely to achieve anything, especially concerning something as emotive as immigration.
Two points though; UK is not part of Schengen and do Australian citizens not need a visa to enter the UK?
false again!!!!
It's not "emotive", etc... They have the right to appeal
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This page explains what you can do if you are refused permission to enter the UK.
If you are refused entry to the UK, we will tell you in writing:
  • why you have been refused entry;
  • whether you have a right of appeal; )
Source: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/tr...theuk/appeals/


It should be easy to prove what they were accused of was wrong.

Their entry denial was said by administration, they can be wrong!!
There's an appeal process they should go for it. Also, i'm sure they now have a "bad record" which will affect them for long. They need to clear it "officially".
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Old 17.01.2011, 14:01
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

There are tens of thousands of illegals in Britain. Most did not swim across from France, nor hung onto the underside of trains and trucks. Most simply overstayed their tourist visas, and the border agency has been told to tighten up the controls.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...mid-backlog.do

Future visitors will probably need to be able to prove their visit is going to be short by producing hotel reservations and flight tickets, and letters of invitation from UK residents.

Some years ago the UK stopped paying inflation bonuses to the pensions of retired British citizens in Australia and New Zealand. As a result of low income some UK citizens needed extra social help. Australian and New Zealand then imposed visa requirements on UK citizens, to check they had enough funds to live on. The UK then retaliated with visa requirements for Aussies and Kiwis.

At the moment it is stalemate, but everyone suffers.

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Old 17.01.2011, 14:07
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

To my little knowledge of the Australian system, they have for a long time applied universal visa requirements from all nationals, barring the Kiwis.
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There are tens of thousands of illegals in Britain. Most did not swim across from France, nor hung onto the underside of trains and trucks. Most simply overstayed their tourist visas, and the border agency has been told to tighten up the controls.

Future visitors will probably need to be able to prove their visit is going to be short by producing hotel reservations and flight tickets, and letters of invitation from UK residents.

Some years ago the UK stopped paying inflation bonuses to the pensions of retired British citizens in Australia and New Zealand. As a result of low income some UK citizens needed extra social help. Australian and New Zealand then imposed visa requirements on UK citizens, to check they had enough funds to live on. The UK then retaliated with visa requirements for Aussies and Kiwis.

At the moment it is stalemate, but everyone suffers.
They had their hotels reservations, return tickets ( printed from a home computer) as nobody uses paper tickets anymore. The officer said their luggage was too heavy for a 3 day trip. He wanted to know the names of the places they're going to visit ?!? I mean you can't possibly list every corner of London especially if you don't know the city...they named Westminster, he said that's it? you're spending 3 days looking at Westminster?
Yes, he told they could appeal and that they need a Visa arranged by the UK consulate in CH before they could return...
What a shame! the guy's salary here in CH is north of 250k chf why would he intend to work in the UK illegally and overstay?!?
They asked him to produce his permit B which he did but I reckon that wasn't sufficient...Is the home office this bad??????? I'm certain that they're picking out the wrong people here.
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Old 17.01.2011, 14:32
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I'm certain that they're picking out the wrong people here.

Perhaps you have suggestions on how they could better pick out "the right people"?
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They had their hotels reservations, return tickets ( printed from a home computer) as nobody uses paper tickets anymore. The officer said their luggage was too heavy for a 3 day trip. He wanted to know the names of the places they're going to visit ?!? I mean you can't possibly list every corner of London especially if you don't know the city...they named Westminster, he said that's it? you're spending 3 days looking at Westminster?
Yes, he told they could appeal and that they need a Visa arranged by the UK consulate in CH before they could return...
What a shame! the guy's salary here in CH is north of 250k chf why would he intend to work in the UK illegally and overstay?!?
They asked him to produce his permit B which he did but I reckon that wasn't sufficient...Is the home office this bad??????? I'm certain that they're picking out the wrong people here.
There's no point to debate for hours.
The people who rejected them made a decision.
They can legally appeal against it.
I gave you the link in the official process.

But yes it seems to be stupid decision and seems annoying. Don't bother feeling angry about it, lost of time and efforts. Just ask your friend to use the official process and provide evidence to clear them of the accusations.
For example they could prove they have work here (although i don't know what evidence they need).

Also, for going further (ie getting compensation for the return flight, etc...) I don't know- its probably difficult and not really worthy (in terms of time*money).


Even if they don't want or can not obtain compensation, they should do it because those stupid people keep records on their system and might create problem on critical moments. For example when your friend will need to work in UK for a client.
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Perhaps you have suggestions on how they could better pick out "the right people"?
Once I receive the training they get...yeah why not?
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I do!
They should put down a form saying: tick here if you intend to overstay illegally or engage into illegal professional activity.



That way they will be able to catch 100% of frauders.
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Old 17.01.2011, 14:40
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There's no point to debate for hours.
The people who rejected them made a decision.
They can legally appeal against it.
I gave you the link in the official process.

But yes it seems to be stupid decision and seems annoying. Don't bother feeling angry about it, lost of time and efforts. Just ask your friend to use the official process and provide evidence to clear them of the accusations.
For example they could prove they have work here (although i don't know what evidence they need).

Also, for going further (ie getting compensation for the return flight, etc...) I don't know- its probably difficult and not really worthy (in terms of time*money).



Even if they don't want or can not obtain compensation, they should do it because those stupid people keep records on their system and might create problem on critical moments. For example when your friend will need to work in UK for a client.
Yea right on. I am sure that they will appeal. He will have to go to the UK at some point.
They told him that records are electronic. So yes, it will cause them problems in the future. They have to clear everything up with the Home Office.
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I do!
They should put down a form saying: tick here if you intend to overstay illegally or engage into illegal professional activity.



That way they will be able to catch 100% of frauders.
Isn't that the way the US does it?
Check here if you are a "terrorist" or part of a terrorist organisation hehe
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

Just to highlight the elephant in the room here what do your friends look like, i.e. are they white, do they dress like a couple of dropouts, etc?

I'm not trying to imply anything of the UK border controls, but from your posts other than an overly heavy suitcase there doesn't seem to be a reason to give them much of a look does there? You don't have to travel much to see who generally gets the most attention at border controls.

Sounds like a bad day and an overzealous employee who recently went through a refresher course!

Hope they have any negative marks (if any) removed from there record, although how they can show they wouldn't have overstayed to the satisfaction of the UK authorities is anyones guess.
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Old 18.01.2011, 10:37
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

Australians and Americans do not need visas to enter the UK as tourists. There is no automatic right of entry, but it does seem unreasonable.

Perhaps your friends got lippy with the immigration official...
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Old 18.01.2011, 10:42
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

yep from whats posted it doesn't add up, they really just don't pull people out willy nilly for the fun of it, your friends must have done somthing or had somthing that made them a target. has one of them been in bother with immigration before, maybe in a different country?

being an Aussie has he outstayed a visa in the uk before?
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Australians and Americans do not need visas to enter the UK as tourists. There is no automatic right of entry, but it does seem unreasonable.

Perhaps your friends got lippy with the immigration official...
Why would anyone from Australia or New Zealand would want to live in the UK?????



I mean seriously...The migration trend is from UK to OZ or Kiwiland I think- Although I don't know official figures, I just observed that-

Ok maybe short term fun and cultural curiosity, they might illegally work in UK for a year of so, but that's it. is that relevant to bother them for such short time?
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Re: Denied entry into the UK

Your friends should talk to the people at UK-Yankee, they've got a few resident experts (and a couple of professionals) in the realm of immigration to the UK. This is something where they'd be able to give some great advice, I think.
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