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Old 25.01.2011, 12:17
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I don't disagree with this. But the point I think you're missing is the all important relationship building with Asian business people. Business meetings may be in English but when you socialize with your clients, an ability to communicate at an elementary level in their language, however poorly, over dinner/drinks/karaoke will give you a huge leg up against the competition who can't. Doing business in Asia is all about building relationships over a long period. If you can speak a bit of Chinese, it will say a lot about you, especially in China or Taiwan. Ditto in japan and Korea with their languages. It will say you have gone to some trouble to learn about their country. It will say you have made an effort to understand them and how they work. It will say you have made a personal commitment towards that country. All of that will earn you respect. This makes a huge difference when you're trying to build relationships with business men but even more so with government officials and central bankers. Western businessmen don't tend to study Asian cultures the way Asian businessmen study us.

For me there's no point trying to learn a language for a quick fix. Learning a language is a long term commitment and it's benefits pay off over a long period. As I said, earlier, it's not just about learning the language but about the insights into the people and culture that learning a language inevitably brings.
Couldnt have said it better myself. Especially with how difficult Mandarin is, the fact that someone even tries really shows and means alot to us.
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Old 25.01.2011, 13:17
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I don't disagree with this. But the point I think you're missing is the all important relationship building with Asian business people. Business meetings may be in English but when you socialize with your clients, an ability to communicate at an elementary level in their language, however poorly, over dinner/drinks/karaoke will give you a huge leg up against the competition who can't. Doing business in Asia is all about building relationships over a long period. If you can speak a bit of Chinese, it will say a lot about you, especially in China or Taiwan. Ditto in japan and Korea with their languages. It will say you have gone to some trouble to learn about their country. It will say you have made an effort to understand them and how they work. It will say you have made a personal commitment towards that country. All of that will earn you respect. This makes a huge difference when you're trying to build relationships with business men but even more so with government officials and central bankers. Western businessmen don't tend to study Asian cultures the way Asian businessmen study us.

For me there's no point trying to learn a language for a quick fix. Learning a language is a long term commitment and it's benefits pay off over a long period. As I said, earlier, it's not just about learning the language but about the insights into the people and culture that learning a language inevitably brings.
..let me ask you, have you done business in Asia?
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Old 25.01.2011, 13:19
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Especially with how difficult Mandarin is, the fact that someone even tries really shows and means alot to us.
..Mandarin is probably one of the easiest languages to learn. It's almost primitive. There is no other language that you can study for 3 weeks and the be able to order at a restaurant. Learning how to read and write Mandarin is the hardest task about it.
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Old 25.01.2011, 13:28
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..Mandarin is probably one of the easiest languages to learn. It's almost primitive. There is no other language that you can study for 3 weeks and the be able to order at a restaurant. Learning how to read and write Mandarin is the hardest task about it.
Ok, Ok. We are all stupid and got caught in a media hype of the most populated country in the world delivering records after records each year... Japan - which had just nearly two decades of stagnation and recession behind itself - is the way to go. Forget China.

P.S: I personally think that Korean could be very useful if you plan to be a war correspondent in the future.
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Old 25.01.2011, 13:35
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..Mandarin is probably one of the easiest languages to learn. It's almost primitive. There is no other language that you can study for 3 weeks and the be able to order at a restaurant. Learning how to read and write Mandarin is the hardest task about it.
O-kay. If you say so. Bet your accent is flawless.
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Old 25.01.2011, 13:37
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O-kay. If you say so. Bet your accent is flawless.
..most certainly. I can order any type of fried noodles and fried rice that are on the menu.
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Old 25.01.2011, 13:43
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..most certainly. I can order any type of fried noodles and fried rice that are on the menu.
Yeap, bet its difficult saying "Number 42! xie xie (thank you)!"

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Old 25.01.2011, 13:44
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Yeap, bet its difficult saying "Number 42! xie xie (thank you)!"

..ehmm, it's actually "Gaiwo Igöö se-shi errr...xiexie"
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Old 25.01.2011, 18:59
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Balloney! The Chinese economy cannot sustain its growth without exports and that is why they keep the currency artificially low.
Also, the growth rate is much overstated...and there is still little inovation coming from 1.somthing billion brains. In addition, back in 05 the migrating workforce moved from the PRD to the YRD because factories in Guangdong struggled to break even. All in all, China is a big overhyped utopia, that has lost sense of where its place is in the world.
I've haven't been to China myself (yet) but a friend who came back says that a lot of the infrastructure he saw was on its last legs, with the tourist places and big cities being done up to a high standard to look good but other parts of the country lagging far behind. He didn't go as a tourist but went to sniff around various factories looking for a business partner and so got to see towns and places that others probably never see.

But that's no reason to be conceited. the Chinese are learning fast and if they can keep up the momentum, China will be a very different place in 10 years or so.
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Old 25.01.2011, 20:02
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Re: Which Asian language to learn ?

At the end of day choose a language of a country with which you have a connection with or are interested in.

If you've never been to China and/or the Chinese culture doesn't interest you, don't bother learning Chinese (even if there are a billion out there!).

I was fascinated about Japan (put it down to bad action movies, i.e. ninjas and stuff :-) Started studying at university and then spent a year there. Sadly, I do not use it enough nowadays but I had a great time in Japan.

I would not advise learning a language as an abstract project. As one of the previous posters said its a long term commitment and you'll have to stay at it to have any benefit. If you do not have any particular interest in the language you'll be hard pressed to stay at it and in the end you'll just be wasting time.
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At the end of day choose a language of a country with which you have a connection with or are interested in.

If you've never been to China and/or the Chinese culture doesn't interest you, don't bother learning Chinese (even if there are a billion out there!).

I was fascinated about Japan (put it down to bad action movies, i.e. ninjas and stuff :-) Started studying at university and then spent a year there. Sadly, I do not use it enough nowadays but I had a great time in Japan.

I would not advise learning a language as an abstract project. As one of the previous posters said its a long term commitment and you'll have to stay at it to have any benefit. If you do not have any particular interest in the language you'll be hard pressed to stay at it and in the end you'll just be wasting time.
Finally a post taking in consideration what the person prefers and not what the person wants to learn because of business...

I will go for Korean... someday...
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Old 26.01.2011, 13:50
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Finally a post taking in consideration what the person prefers and not what the person wants to learn because of business...

I will go for Korean... someday...
..because you drive a Deawoo?
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..Mandarin is probably one of the easiest languages to learn. It's almost primitive.
Do you speak it then? If no, think carefully before answering. If yes, I would be delighted to pratice calligraphy with you (serious).
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Re: Which Asian language to learn ?

mandarin is the most widely used language, thats what a few of my chinese mates have said...
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Re: Which Asian language to learn ?

Billions of people already speak Mandarin.

Learn Oroqen. As it has no written form, two thirds of your learning (reading, writing) are not necessary. Plus you'll be able to impress the hell out of yurt owners.
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..because you drive a Deawoo?
no no, Chevrolet !
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no no, Chevrolet !
Good choice! Which one?
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Old 27.01.2011, 09:03
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Do you speak it then? If no, think carefully before answering. If yes, I would be delighted to pratice calligraphy with you (serious).
..I have to disappoint you. I speak some basic mandarin. I was overthere for a year and didn't really bother too much with it. I can get by and hold small conversations but wouldn't really be able to talk about the meaning of life....
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Good choice! Which one?
Actually Deawoo is Chevrolet or Chevrolet is Deawoo

I do not drive Chevrolet on a daily basis... but I am lucky enough to have my dad who has a Chevrolet Camaro convertible. Honestly, I have not used it for two years now. I treated myself with a brand new Harley Dyna Street Bob 2010 !!! Better than any 4-wheel vehicule
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..I have to disappoint you. I speak some basic mandarin.
Any language is easy at basic level. The word "basic" kind of gives it away. But don't get discouraged, keep it up and enjoy it!
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