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New Estate car, any ideas?

Hi fellow EFers

I am going to lease a new car pretty soon and would love some inputs from you car buffs. The Estate car I'm looking for needs to have the following specs:

- Economical Diesel (but at least 150bhp)
- Automatic Transmission
- Built in GPS
- Not too expensive to service, run and insure

I'm not a big fan of Mercs and don't fancy spending a lot on BMWs, VWs or Audis so was looking at the following models:

1. New Opel Astra Sports Tourer
2. Opel Insignia Sports Tourer
3. Citroen C5 Touring
4. Honda Accord Touring
4. Scoda Octavia Estate


Any input or experience with these models would be much appreciated.
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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

Hi There,

I drive skodas / audis / seats / mercs all the time with work and really rate the octavia highly for price and quality. It is certainly not as lively as the Audis but it is real solid and has everything you need and loads of space. I mostly drive the 4x4. I don't know any of the others on your list so can't compare.

Just to let you know they have just dropped the price of the 2 litre diesel to more or less the same price as the 1.6 because they have nearly a years waiting list for the 1.6 (according to the local garage) - so you may want to check delivery times before you make your decision.

Not much help....

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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

I would rate the Ford Focus above the Opels and certainly above the Citroen.

The Octavia and Accord should also both be good, but bear in mind the size of the cars you are looking at - the Accord for example is much much bigger than the Opel Astra (or Ford Focus). You need to decide how much space you actually need, which should help you to narrow the choices down a bit.
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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

Be different, get an Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon. None of the cars above will quicken the pulse like an Alfa, or force you to look back every time you lock it and walk away.

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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

Thanks for the input so far.

@GenevaSculler: Is there an Estate version of the Focus? I though there's only the Mondeo Estate. I heard good things about that one but am just not a big fan of the interior of Fords nowadays. Exterior is nice though.

I read in a review that the new Astra Sports Tourer actually has more boot space than its bigger brother the Insignia. I test drove the 2.0 Diesel Insignia and thought it was quite good.

@Hetfield: Do you mean Skoda dropped prices or Audi? Not really looking at Audis as they are too pricey to buy and service.

@Castro: Nice car but not really an option for me. Just out of interest what's the petrol/diesel consumption on one of these? And are starting prices quite high? Are Alfas a bit more reliable these days?
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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

Alfas still have a terrible reputation, they are noisy, engines get clakety clickety and they look good but aren't great. I can also recomend you a volvo v70.
If you get a car on lease here that is second hand like a year old , you can get a really good deal. Just make sure you get the lease from the original car dealer or people can fool around with you
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@GenevaSculler: Is there an Estate version of the Focus?
I've had one since '99, but it's gas, not diesel. It's a nice size, and any time I've needed something larger I've needed to borrow a van, so the slightly larger size of a Mondeo is a negative for me.

A friend has the Skoda, 4WD TD, he's happy. Seems to be smaller inside than my Focus, though.

In the process of getting my girlfriend a used Fiat Palio Weekend, which is smaller than my Focus, but larger than her (dead) Panda.

Also borrowed my friend's C5 wagon to pick up a motorcycle in Bologna (as he has a trailer). That was also gas, but was automatic, which was nice driving with a trailer in traffic.

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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

Volvo is (surprisingly) near the bottom of the TV statistics for defects at the bi-annual inspection. Expensive to repair as well (in-laws have a V70).

If you are interested in driving dynamics, Ford is pretty well recognized as having the best suspension design in both the Golf class (Focus) and mid-sized (Mondeo). We've had a Focus since '03 and the steering feel is second only to BMW. We have averaged a true 5.5L/100km with our diesel over 150'000km. The petrol engines in the Fords were rather dull until recently; their latest Eco-Boost turbo motors are very good. Nothing has broken on our Focus, and it's usually in the top 20% of the TV ratings. Swallows a LOT of cargo for its size, as it is a tall design.

Many current Ford "automatics" are double-clutch "flappy paddle" gearboxes. Very efficient, lightning fast shifts and fun to drive in a Formula 1, video game style, if you choose to use the paddles to shift. I myself still prefer a normal manual.

If you want 4x4, you can't beat the Octavia. A little lateral thinking and maybe you could look at the Skoda Yeti. It's a "crossover", but still compact in size and gets excellent reviews, also from "enthusiast" magazines. It's on my radar for the next vehicle.

Mazda 6 makes a nice Estate. The reat seat design is really good, with one simple lever to fold the seats and headrests flat.
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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

Mondeos might be an option, thanks for the tip. Skodas are also on my list to test drive soon. Would you only recommend getting the 4x4 or is the normal front drive also good?

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Is it similar to the new Astra Estate "Flex Fold" Feature?

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Thanks for the input so far.

@GenevaSculler: Is there an Estate version of the Focus? I though there's only the Mondeo Estate. I heard good things about that one but am just not a big fan of the interior of Fords nowadays. Exterior is nice though.

I read in a review that the new Astra Sports Tourer actually has more boot space than its bigger brother the Insignia. I test drove the 2.0 Diesel Insignia and thought it was quite good.

@Hetfield: Do you mean Skoda dropped prices or Audi? Not really looking at Audis as they are too pricey to buy and service.

@Castro: Nice car but not really an option for me. Just out of interest what's the petrol/diesel consumption on one of these? And are starting prices quite high? Are Alfas a bit more reliable these days?

Hi,

Sorry I meant the price of the Octavia 2 litre has been dropped. I also would not buy Audi, altho they are very very nice, because of the price - I think the OCtavia is much better value for money.

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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

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Thanks for the input so far.

@GenevaSculler: Is there an Estate version of the Focus? I though there's only the Mondeo Estate. I heard good things about that one but am just not a big fan of the interior of Fords nowadays. Exterior is nice though.

I read in a review that the new Astra Sports Tourer actually has more boot space than its bigger brother the Insignia. I test drove the 2.0 Diesel Insignia and thought it was quite good.
As St2Lemans has already said, yes there is a Focus Estate - I have the 2006 model and find it a perfect size for me - big enough to chuck a couple of bikes or a weeks worth of ski stuff in the back but not too big for parking in town etc. It is also relatively fun to drive and the new 2011 model has received some good reviews too. However, we are only 2 so if you are looking to carry 3+ with lots of luggage the larger options may be better.
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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

I drive an Octavia 4x4, I can't recommend it highly enough. Before that we had a Fabia estate diesel too. I really liked that too. The Octavia feels really firm and stable with enough oomph for anything I've ever had to throw at it. The standard 2.0 diesel comes with 140bhp but the VRS diesel comes with 170bhp (if I remember rightly). AMAG also do a recignised remapping which won't effect your warrantly and they will remap the standard 140bhp diesel up to 170bhp for you at a price.

In terms of economy I'm getting 5.8-6l/100km out of my Octavia Scout which is pretty good for a car that is also packing 4x4 if it ever needs it. In normal driving it's basically 2WD and the rear wheels kick in if the front wheels start to spin. Apparently you get power to the rear wheels within 1/70th of a rotation of the front ones.

You'll probably find a good deal on a demonstrator model with the GPS and all the bits and bobs you want if you look around.

As an aside, I had a Mazda 5 estate for a week recently. I hated it. I'm not saying it's a bad car just to me it felt too light. There was no feedback from the power steering so it felt twitchy to drive on the motorway and it seemed to lack power too. The whole week I was just waiting to get my Octavia back.
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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

Octavia has my vote.

But the 159 tugs the heart strings - I was also under the impression they used the same 1.9 diesel as the Insignia
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Alfas still have a terrible reputation, they are noisy, engines get clakety clickety and they look good but aren't great.
Times have changed and so have Alfa Romeo. I would recommend the OP takes a 159 for a no obligation test drive. I was dead set on getting a new Golf GTI, but once I'd taken a Giulietta for a test drive I changed my mind and I'm as fussy as they get. In any case if you're on a 3 year lease, you are covered by the warranty and the fact that after 3 years you can just hand it back.
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Re: New Estate car, any ideas?

Cheers for the Tip, will check out the Octavia and Alfa.
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