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Old 16.02.2011, 10:09
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Car keyed

So some so&so decided to key the feck out of the family car a couple weeks back.
Not just one panel but more or less the entire length of the car.

I had a look at this link and wondered if anyone here had done this or had this done in the past and whether they knew a place who could do the same at reasonable cost:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...enance/4216365

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Old 16.02.2011, 10:27
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Re: Car keyed

its all depends how deep the scratch is and what paint you have, is it down to the bare metal, is the panel also dented, and do you have metallic paint? and is your car pretty new and valuable?

if the answer is yes to any of those and you've never tried a paint repair before then get a pro to fix it.

its exceptionally difficult to match paint, so even if you manage to fix it yourself you probably still be able to see where it was, and trying to spray in anything other then a spray booth will attract every single insect in a mile radius to come and land in the new sticky paint.

don't even think about trying to fix it with rattle spray cans from somewhere like coop.

I had some paint fixed by chipsaway in the uk, that was metallic and they did a pretty good job, but in the end it was no cheaper then just getting a proper paint shop to fix it.

Had a carpark scratch fixed here, that was also metallic, and cost 1000chf, but they blended it in so it was more or less the whole door painted in the end, but that was when the car was already being painted as someone had driven into it, so it was cheaper to have that done at the same time.
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Old 16.02.2011, 10:39
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Re: Car keyed

How deep is the scratch - pretty deep I think.
What paint do you have - metallic Galaxy blue
Is the panel also dented - nope
Is your car pretty new and valuable - nope - it's a 2001 Mazda Tribue 3.0 V6 - with 130k but has been very very reliable - I guess it's worth about 8k CHF (but that's just my guess).

i guess it's worth about 200 CHF to take care of.
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Old 16.02.2011, 10:55
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Re: Car keyed

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How deep is the scratch - pretty deep I think.
What paint do you have - metallic Galaxy blue
Is the panel also dented - nope
Is your car pretty new and valuable - nope - it's a 2001 Mazda Tribue 3.0 V6 - with 130k but has been very very reliable - I guess it's worth about 8k CHF (but that's just my guess).

i guess it's worth about 200 CHF to take care of.

I don't think you'll get anyone here to fix it for 200chf, if your really really lucky they may be able to polish them out, but if it needs paint then not a chance.

if your not that bothered about the car then get yourself some tcut (or equivalent, basically just car abrasive polish) then a touch up pen in your cars colour, polish the scratches out as best you can, then use the touch up pen to fill them (they are like nail varnish) wait for the paint to dry fully and use the tcut again to flatten it as best you can, then wax. if your really really brave you can use very fine wet and dry paper, rub the touched up paint (use plenty of water) to flatten it, then the tcut to bring the shine back.

paint pens are a pita! you have to use tiny amounts of paint otherwise it will run, it also dries really quickly so if you go back a minute later just to even the paint a bit it will already be tacky and just mess up, so you have todo lots of very very thin coats, don't just rush it and try to fill the scratch the first time.
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Old 16.02.2011, 12:51
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Re: Car keyed

I also used ChipsAway in the UK, and was very pleased with the result. In my case, it cost orders-of-magnitude less than having the car repaired at a conventional paint shop. Definitely worth trying to get in touch to see if they can give you a quote.

In theory, ChipsAway are available in Switzerland, but I've never managed to get through to them. Here's their webpage: http://www.chipsaway.ch/index.html?links.htm

A similar repair service is available over the border at ATU:
http://www.atu.de/pages/werkstatt/smart-repair.html

Finally, it's definitely worth trying to polish out the scratch yourself first. It may never disappear totally, but on a ten-year old car with 130K, a 'good enough' repair may be, well, good enough! I use Autoglym Paintwork Renovator, applied by hand, followed with Autoglym Super Resin Polish, applied by machine. This has been enough to take out many fine scratches in my paintwork.

As others have pointed out, if it's too deep to polish out, you'll almost certainly need to turn to a professional to get an acceptable result.
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Old 16.02.2011, 13:42
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Re: Car keyed

Thanks very much guys .

VI , you use Autoglym Paintwork Renovator , then Autoglym Super Resin Polish , when do you apply the actual paint to fill the scratch ?
How do I get hold of the machine polisher ? Can you rent these things out ? If so do you know where ?
We go regularly to Germany in any case - as I have an apartment in Munich.

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Old 16.02.2011, 14:17
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Re: Car keyed

atu are also in Spreitenbach, they sell the polish and polishers as well as do scratch repairs there (well they advertise them there, so I assume they do them as well)

http://www.atu.de/pages/service/fili...il.html?nr=633

as for when with the paint, I think village idiot was saying that if you use the polish first then you may not need paint, you can usually polish a fair bit of the damage away.

but if its still there it would be

polish
paint
polish again (to make flat, give it 24 hours min for the paint to harden)
wax
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Re: Car keyed

Send this guy an e-mail and ask for a quote, I have used him twice,

info@karosserie-braendlin.de

http://www.karosserie-braendlin.de/

Servicing your car in Germany or France

Renault servicing over the boarder
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Old 16.02.2011, 16:25
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Re: Car keyed

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VI , you use Autoglym Paintwork Renovator , then Autoglym Super Resin Polish , when do you apply the actual paint to fill the scratch ?
How do I get hold of the machine polisher ? Can you rent these things out ? If so do you know where ?
bigblue2 is right - I was suggesting using a combination of products to see if you can remove the scratch without repainting. Small scratches (those which affect the clearcoat, but not the colour coat beneath) will often polish out. If the scratch is 'white' rather than 'grey' (primer) or bare metal, there's a good chance you can polish it out. Even if you can't polish it out 100%, you can make it significantly less noticeable, and that may be 'good enough' on an older car where you don't want to spend hundreds of francs on a perfect finish.

As soon as you need to do any repainting, it's definitely a professionals-only job, either as a spot job (ChipsAway etc) or as a whole-panel respray (most bodyshops). You can touch in a stone-chip yourself, but a long mark like a key scratch will look worse than the original damage.

Cutting compounds (like the Autoglym Paintwork Restorer) are abrasive, and should always be applied by hand.

A finishing polish like Super Resin Polish (still mildly abrasive, but not very much) can either be applied by hand or by machine. If you're just doing a few panels and it's only one time, it's probably just as simple to do it by hand. I tend to polish my car about four times a year to protect the paintwork, and I use a cheap random orbital polisher that I bought at Halfords for about 25 quid. It makes the job go much quicker and requires a lot less elbow grease.

Real perfectionists might choose something higher-end, but for my five-year old daily driver, my routine of cheap orbital polisher and a single coat of Super Resin Polish takes about an hour-and-a-half, keep the paintwork protected and makes the car much easier to clean, and is more than 90% of the other drivers on the road do...

If you want to learn more about car polishing and scratch removal that you ever thought was possible (never underestimate the levels of obsession that can be found on the internet), read this guide: Machine Polishing by Dual Action Polisher. In particular, see post 3 (theory) and post 4 (great real example of removing a key mark).

Before polishing:



After polishing:


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Old 16.02.2011, 16:32
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Re: Car keyed

Call your insurer. Keying is not on the "Parkschanden" part of the insurance it is under Vandalism cover. It was done to my car recently and I just phoned the insurance company up to have them document it (the cops were useless) in case it happened again so that I could then raise a better case with the cops.

I was instantly informed that as an act of vandalism I was covered for the whole cost of repair without any deductible, no effect to my no claims bonus and they even gave me a loaner while my car was in for repair. I had my car back in three days as good as new and I got a copy of the bill yesterday with a letter from the insurer saying it had all been taken care of.
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Old 16.02.2011, 16:57
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Re: Car keyed

I suspect thats more likely a bike passing the car than a key, if intentional the groove would be much deeper
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Old 16.02.2011, 17:12
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Re: Car keyed

Another thing you can do if your car has German number plates or German International Driver sticker is to change your car to Swiss plates. Unfortunately there are a few mean people in Switzerland who will key a car or let down the tyres if the vehicle has German plates or stickers or flags on it.
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