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Old 22.02.2011, 08:32
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The Truth About Sex Addiction

This could change the way psychologists and the legal system (at least in America) look at what are "normally" seen as cheating partners...

From an article in Time magazine by John Cloud,:

"The American Psychiatric Association (APA) is debating whether sex addiction should be added to its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The addition of what the APA is calling "hypersexual disorder" would legitimize sex addiction in a way that was unthinkable just a few years ago, when Bill Clinton's philandering was regarded as a moral failing or a joke but not, in the main, as an illness.

APA recognition of sex addiction would create huge revenue streams in the mental-health business. Some wives who know their husbands are porn enthusiasts would force them into treatment. Some husbands who have serial affairs would start to think of themselves not as rakes but as patients.


This is already happening. In the year since Woods made sex addiction famous, rehab facilities accustomed to dealing with alcoholics and drug addicts have found themselves swamped with requests for sex-addiction treatment. The privately held company Elements Behavioral Health, which operates high-priced rehab centers around the U.S. including a celebrity-friendly one on a breathtaking mountainside in Malibu, Calif. recently acquired the Sexual Recovery Institute, a Los Angeles center for sex addicts. The institute's revenues grew 50% in 2010.


But the legitimacy now being granted to sex addiction requires a closer look. In the 20th century, we changed our thinking about alcoholism: what was once a moral weakness came to be understood as an illness resulting in large part from genetics. Sexual acting out seems different, though. Is excessive lust really just another biochemical accident?"
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Old 22.02.2011, 08:36
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Re: The Truth About Sex Addiction

...and how would you go about distinguishing sex addiction from a high sex drive?
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Re: The Truth About Sex Addiction

Sorry but one can only put the blame on genetics so far. A person always has the possibility to say "no". He always has the possibility to say "I need help." Weak or strong. Perhaps a person with a stronger self esteem will be able to ask for help BUT there is still always the choice.

When a person is ill with the flu, he or she has no choice.
When a person is addicted, they still have a choice.

And that's the difference.
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Sorry but one can only put the blame on genetics so far. A person always has the possibility to say "no". He always has the possibility to say "I need help." Weak or strong. Perhaps a person with a stronger self esteem will be able to ask for help BUT there is still always the choice.

When a person is ill with the flu, he or she has no choice.
When a person is addicted, they still have a choice.

And that's the difference.
It's clear that you have never been addicted to anything....or you have/are but fail to recognize its afflictions on your life.
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Sorry but one can only put the blame on genetics so far. A person always has the possibility to say "no". He always has the possibility to say "I need help." Weak or strong. Perhaps a person with a stronger self esteem will be able to ask for help BUT there is still always the choice.

When a person is ill with the flu, he or she has no choice.
When a person is addicted, they still have a choice.

And that's the difference.
so take heroin addiction then. If you dont feed your addiction you will suffer physical withdrawal symptoms (rather flu like in fact), so if you dont have a choice with flu, then you dont have a choice with heroin addiction.
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Old 22.02.2011, 08:49
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...and how would you go about distinguishing sex addiction from a high sex drive?
Or being an unfaithful bastard/bitch?

When you're addicted, you can make the choice to get treatment. Addiction doesn't abnegate responsbility.
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so take heroin addiction then. If you dont feed your addiction you will suffer physical withdrawal symptoms (rather flu like in fact), so if you dont have a choice with flu, then you dont have a choice with heroin addiction.
But you still have a choice. Once you've decided to go through withdrawal and change your choices, you can live a life without heroin.
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Old 22.02.2011, 08:55
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Re: The Truth About Sex Addiction

It is not as simple as that. The whole point of addiction is the addict's inability to say no. Purely and simply.

The very first step in attempting recovery for an addict requires their recognition of the fact that they actually have a problem.
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Re: The Truth About Sex Addiction

There is a big difference between physical and psychological addictions, though. The physical ones you can break, if you're strong enough (or have enough support) to deny your body the physical substance for long enough. Psychological addictions are generally with people for life, even if they are 'cured' by some treatment or other.
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But you still have a choice. Once you've decided to go through withdrawal and change your choices, you can live a life without heroin.
I mean this in all politeness, but it really really isnt that simple. If it were there wouldn't be the thousands of heroin addicts, all of whom wish they weren't addicted.

I always remember George Bests doctor when Best was almost dead, talking to reporters outside with real emotion about the illness that he had - the illness of alchohism, not for a second any idea it was some sort of choice he had.
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It is not as simple as that. The whole point of addiction is the addict's inability to say no. Purely and simply.

The very first step in attempting recovery for an addict requires their recognition of the fact that they actually have a problem.
This is where I disagree. An addict is not blind. He sees how people react differently to him. He feels their pain, indifference, etc. He knows deep down he's addicted. But he doesn't have the willpower to say "stop".

It isn't about recognition. It's about willpower and being honest with oneself.

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Old 22.02.2011, 08:59
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I mean this in all politeness, but it really really isnt that simple. If it were there wouldn't be the thousands of heroin addicts, all of whom wish they weren't addicted.

I always remember George Bests doctor when Best was almost dead, talking to reporters outside with real emotion about the illness that he had - the illness of alchohism, not for a second any idea it was some sort of choice he had.
George Best still had a choice. He didn't have the willpower to fight it. He obviously knew he was addicted but chose not to deal with it. It was easier to keep feeding the monster than to fight it.

People weren't born addicted. They slowly became addicted, choosing to ignore the signs and succumbing to the addiction. Addiction is really just a symptom of some weakness in character. When addicts choose to fight their addiction, they usually have two battles:
1. the addiction itself
2. dealing with the reason why they became addicted in the first place.

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This is where I disagree. An addict is not blind. He sees how people react differently to him. He feels there pain, indifference, etc. He knows deep down he's addicted. But he doesn't have the willpower to say "stop".

It isn't about recognition. It's about willpower and being honest with oneself.
This is not correct. An addict who is in the throes of addiction is powerless to control his addiction - that is the very essence of the illness. Yes, they often are aware of the hurt and pain that they cause others, but they are unable to fight the need for their particular drug of choice (albeit it drugs, alcohol, sex, etc) on their own.

It is nothing at all to do with the having the willpower to stop. This is simply not possible for an addict; not without appropriate professional help, adherence to a twelve step programme, and continuous support from the appropriate recovery group for the rest of their lives.
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Old 22.02.2011, 09:03
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Re: The Truth About Sex Addiction

You are all addicted to EF and refuse to face the truth and get proper treatment!
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George Best still had a choice. He didn't have the willpower to fight it. He obviously knew he was addicted but chose not to deal with it. It was easier to keep feeding the monster than to fight it.

People weren't born addicted. They slowly became addicted, choosing to ignore the signs and succumbing to the addiction. Addiction is really just a symptom of some weakness in character. When addicts choose to fight their addiction, they usually have two battles: 1. the addiction itself 2. dealing with the reason why they became addicted in the first place.
Not true. Are you suggesting that George Best chose to kill himself with alcohol?
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This is not correct. An addict who is in the throes of addiction is powerless to control his addiction - that is the very essence of the illness. Yes, they often are aware of the hurt and pain that they cause others, but they are unable to fight the need for their particular drug of choice (albeit it drugs, alcohol, sex, etc) on their own.

It is nothing at all to do with the having the willpower to stop. This is simply not possible for an addict; not without appropriate professional help, adherence to a twelve step programme, and continuous support from the appropriate recovery group for the rest of their lives.
They still have the choice to say, "I need help."
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Not true. Are you suggesting that George Best chose to kill himself with alcohol?
I'm saying it was easier for him to succumb to his addiction than to fight the battle. Again, the battle is twofold: the addiction and the reason why they became addicted.

For many, the reason why they became addicted is more of a battle than the addiction itself.
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They still have the choice to say, "I need help."
No they do not. Recognising that they have a problem is the very first step in the long road to recovery for addicts, and that often only occurs when the active addict hits rock bottom and is no longer able to acquire his drug of choice.

Until that they make that recognition, they do not have a choice.
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No they do not. Recognising that they have a problem is the very first step in the long road to recovery for addicts, and that often only occurs when the active addict hits rock bottom and is no longer able to acquire his drug of choice.

Until that they make that recognition, they do not have a choice.
Disagree. They always have a choice but would rather ignore the addiction than deal with it. By hitting rock bottom, they are suddenly put into a position where they no longer have the choice to ignore their addiction, although some still choose to do so.
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You are all addicted to EF and refuse to face the truth and get proper treatment!
Haha! Now, you could be onto something there! Guess that includes you too!?
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