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Old 09.05.2011, 14:12
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Re: the F word: hopefully a serious discussion will ensue...

I'm often in a dilemma on these subjects. Quite a few of the words used on here I've never ever used; they were, if they existed, considered extremely vulgar when I was young. Other words, which were then acceptable, are no longer so and I have to watch my wayward tongue.

There are many phrases which one might use in a light-hearted situation but not use in a job interview. How can anyone tell the difference?

Probably sounds odd to most of you, but having seen and heard 'aliens' (now that's another one - to me it just means foreign but when I tell Swiss folk I am an alien they can't stop laughing) giving offence to others by inadvertently using a term which is not, in that sphere, politically correct, I'd like to think that anyone using my vocabulary might get a grin or two for being old-fashioned, but do no more harm to themselves or to others than that.
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Old 09.05.2011, 14:14
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So you ARE advocating that you should cater to other people's ignorance and bias when speaking.

Like in said cases of niggardly, tar baby or water buffalo. As it is "injurious" to the witnesses.
Other than the animal that produces the milk for the best mozzarella, or a motorcycle, what is a 'water buffalo'?

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Old 09.05.2011, 14:16
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I prefer the words tw@t or t!t for jerks. Why does a word insult you so much? It's only a word. Why is the word Vagina ok to say but ©unt is somehow insulting? Get over it they are just words.

Anyone hear pinks latest song? Played on the radio every day... the lyrics.... "you're f-ucking perfect".

The word sh!t is used fairly regularly on Irish radio these days. Language evolves, new words get added, meanings change, but at the end of the day they are only words.
Agree completely, this forum needs to seriously HTFU. We are all supposed to be over 18, after all.
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Old 09.05.2011, 14:24
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Agree completely, this forum needs to seriously HTFU. We are all supposed to be over 18, after all.
Yeah, it's true, but for some minorities, I feel that as a society we're desperately trying to get them up to an even keel. Once homosexuals enjoy the same advantages in society as straight people, we can start insulting them again with impunity.
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Old 09.05.2011, 14:28
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Hey there Ouchboy, I disagree with the above cartoon, and although I'm the world's most super deluxe South Park fan, I do disagree with that episode.

Should we cater to the ignorance of others? Yeah. A bit, anyway. Also, there's a spot of logic to it (as if we really required any).

"Hey, don't call me a dirty Jew - that's anti Semitic!".

"Ha! That's where you're wrong. Language has evolved. Right now, it means anyone who's miserly, greedy and with a big nose. It has nothing to do with actual Jews, irrespective of their cleanliness."

Is he being anti-Semitic, even though he is insulting, in this case, an Irish Catholic? Yes, of course. He is using a term of racial hate to express the pejorative nature of something else. If anything, it becomes even more offensive.

What South Park is really saying is that we find homosexuals so disgusting that the pejorative word used to describe them has now evolved to become a pejorative word to describe a whole variety of things.

Now how offensive is that?

This is an interesting point. I think most words used in negative descriptions have roots in describing a person/persons/situation which directly, would be considered offensive now.

The key factor is the passage of time and generation before that original connection is no longer common knowledge. This 'time' is however not as easily reached in modern times with increased information transfer and storage. So yes, I would still consider it offensive in the greater population, but for use with close friends who know me, everything is fair game
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Old 09.05.2011, 14:29
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If the word was ... "jew" they'd say "but it doesn't mean that anymore!" It is still wrong...
What's wrong with "Jew"?
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Old 09.05.2011, 14:33
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What's wrong with "Jew"?
I suppose just latkes are a little greasy for my taste but other than that not a lot.
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Old 09.05.2011, 14:34
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What's wrong with "Jew"?

The word by itself, nothing.

But in the right context or pronounced in a certain way in certain context can be very offensive to some.
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:21
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Hey there Ouchboy, I disagree with the above cartoon, and although I'm the world's most super deluxe South Park fan, I do disagree with that episode.

Should we cater to the ignorance of others? Yeah. A bit, anyway. Also, there's a spot of logic to it (as if we really required any).

"Hey, don't call me a dirty Jew - that's anti Semitic!".

"Ha! That's where you're wrong. Language has evolved. Right now, it means anyone who's miserly, greedy and with a big nose. It has nothing to do with actual Jews, irrespective of their cleanliness."

Is he being anti-Semitic, even though he is insulting, in this case, an Irish Catholic? Yes, of course. He is using a term of racial hate to express the pejorative nature of something else. If anything, it becomes even more offensive.

What South Park is really saying is that we find homosexuals so disgusting that the pejorative word used to describe them has now evolved to become a pejorative word to describe a whole variety of things.

Now how offensive is that?
so how come calling someone a jew is considered offensive but calling someone a catholic or a protestant isnt?
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:27
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so how come calling someone a jew is considered offensive but calling someone a catholic or a protestant isnt?
Well, it's a good question and I don't know that calling someone a Jew is always offensive at all, just that it can be (it's all context dependent, right?)

Here. First line. There's nothing new under the sun of the EF...or something.
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:29
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Well, it's a good question and I don't know that calling someone a Jew is always offensive at all, just that it can be (it's all context dependent, right?)

Here. First line. There's nothing new under the sun of the EF...or something.
well then maybe if i put it in german you might understand "juden"
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:29
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so how come calling someone a jew is considered offensive but calling someone a catholic or a protestant isnt?
Are you sure it isn't? Pretty sure they'll be places where calling someone a protestant or a catholic could cause insult.
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Re: the F word: hopefully a serious discussion will ensue...

i think that my point is that its not the name calling that is in itself a problem, rather than the perception by the name callee , ie call me a proddie and i really dont care but call me a jew and i will take you to court in france
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:42
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Mini mimi always chooses the best moments to ask for her drink.

A few days ago we were walking past two Jewish people near our apartment when she hollers "JUICE!".
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:44
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Mini mimi always chooses the best moments to ask for her drink.

A few days ago we were walking past two Jewish people near our apartment when she hollers "JUICE!".

I had a hebrew friend who painted himself orange and went out on Halloween as "Orange Juice".
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:46
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Are you sure it isn't? Pretty sure they'll be places where calling someone a protestant or a catholic could cause insult.
oh yeah? where?
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:49
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Wrong half of Belfast?
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:52
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Wrong half of Belfast?
it might incite some sectarian violence but i dont think a court would hold it as anti proddie or anti catholic whereas anti semitic is well known
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Old 09.05.2011, 15:54
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so how come calling someone a jew is considered offensive but calling someone a catholic or a protestant isnt?
Speaking as a west-European, I have no idea if "catholic" or "protestant" are used as insults in other areas of the globe.

Jew, on the other hand, is a common insult that can vary in degree, according to context. It usually means "greedy" or "perverse".

The reason for this has to do with the history of the Jewish community in Europe, mainly in Catholic countries, and its roots are strongly based on the racism and general misconception of the Middle Ages. Jews were seen as greedy and extortionists because they could lend money, while Catholics were forbidden by law (at least in theory). They were considered sorceress/ perverse people who killed children and stole the body of Christ during Easter with the only intention to aggravate the catholic population.

Nowadays, the use of “Jew” as an insult is no longer as offensive to the name-called as a couple of decades ago, but it is nevertheless offensive to the Jew community that is actually still used as an insult, because it is based on misconceptions and very nasty wrong stereotypes.

If you want to call someone a greedy bastard, why not just using that? Common sense is a very wonderful thing... You can insult people in so many "wonderful" ways without disrespecting a certain ethnic / sexual preference group...


But then again, why would we need to insult anyone here in the forum? Why can't we be friends? *sing* Why can't we be friends?
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