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Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Hello - I'm hoping some more experienced riders might be able to advise us.

My husband and I are interested in buying our first motorcycles. We took lessons and are licensed but seem to be hitting the wall of very few "medium" bikes in CH. We want something stronger than a 125cc (and are licensed for stronger) so we can do some major road trips, but not something SO strong as 900 or 1000ccs because we want a bike that is easier to handle and not TOO powerful. I think as a result of the swiss licensing system, there isn't much of a market for bikes in the 250-600cc range. Any tips or ideas? We have contemplated trying to import from other countries but we aren't sure about logistics. We basically want something like a dual-sport and/or a travel touring...we think.

Any input on any of this? We feel pretty inexperienced in this realm...
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Old 18.03.2011, 20:32
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

600cc is about the right size for you if you want to do some touring around the Alps and European mainland. There are many many bikes in this class, Hornet, Transalp, Africa Twin 650, Bandit?
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Something like this may fit the bill (top end+ of your size, though - 650):

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BMW F650 GS - with or without luggage carriers.
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Thanks for the suggestions...I must say that BMW looks pretty swank...we're both drooling a bit. I realized I missed a few critical pieces of info: that is, we are looking for used bikes, preferably under 5000CHF each, year 2000+, with less than 40,000kms. Are we in lala-land with these kinds of hopes?

We've noticed bikes in other countries, ie: Germany and Czech Republic are quite a bit less expensive, but maybe we're missing something here?
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Thanks for the suggestions...I must say that BMW looks pretty swank...we're both drooling a bit. I realized I missed a few critical pieces of info: that is, we are looking for used bikes, preferably under 5000CHF each, year 2000+, with less than 40,000kms. Are we in lala-land with these kinds of hopes?

We've noticed bikes in other countries, ie: Germany and Czech Republic are quite a bit less expensive, but maybe we're missing something here?
The F650 I forgot to mention is the grail between these kind of bikes.

The price range is OK but if you look more you will find for cheaper, if you ask me 5k is a lot for 11 years old bike with 40k of km. I don't think it's real and worth it, if you moved here recently maybe you will be able to dodge some import tax if you bring it soon...But importing it from Germany from what I read is doable and it will cost less than buying it here.
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Ok, I think I may be the resident motorcycle nutter in here

What kind of experience do you have for a start?
What are your intentions? (commuting to work or touring)

Start with those and we will progress further lol
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Thanks for the feedback.

Our experience consists of an 18 hour on-bike course (from Canada) and 4 hours in the classroom. I know, not much, but we need to start somewhere right? It included a lot of slow riding skills, circles, serpentines, highway riding, etc, and some emergency responding. We hope to explore Europe on these bikes, go on some major road trips, get out camping, and enjoy the more secondary highways and potentially some dirt or gravel roads once we're more comfortable. We toured around by car in 2007, and would like the experience on a motorcycle...you just can't beat that feeling.
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

My partner and I were in the same situation as you 2 years ago, and we got a Triumph Street Triple first. I was fine with it, but my girlfriend found it a bit high at the beginning, so we then bought a Yamaha XJ6N as well which she is very happy with. Neither of these are dual-sport bikes though...

Here's mine by the way


The Kawasaki Versys also gets very good reviews and may fit more with your touring plans.

The best website I have found is this one for used bikes in CH:
http://www.commerce-moto.ch/occasion...vorf&form_vorj
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Ok, I think I may be the resident motorcycle nutter in here
How many do you have?

I have 6 (albeit one is off the road for some frame repair)

Meanwhile, my girlfriend just got her A-permit, so tomorrow she can take the XV250 for a ride while I chase with my '85 LeMans.

Also, since tomorrow is a nice day, I plan to finally get around to doing the cam timing, valve adjustments, and new belts on my 999R. I'll do the SS and ST2 later.

(Guzzis don't need maintenance)

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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

We forgot probably the most comfortable of all (if you are tall like me) Suzuki VStrom 650.



I think that a bike in the 600cc range might be big for you in the beginning. Don't get me wrong, it might be a good idea to have a bit of more experience on a 125/250 cc.

Touring in a car has nothing to do with a motorcycle. Making a mistake in a car can be easily compensated but not on a bike. When you a driving a bike your mind should calculate your moves in the next kilometer on the road...

Maybe you can find some nice 2 stroke 125 or up to 300cc to have some fun for at least couple of months...The transition to the bigger ones will be smoother and funner.

Just my opinion
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Old 18.03.2011, 23:55
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Yo, V__

I agree 100%

If you are just moving up, go for something midrange, and get used to it.

Plus, it will be easier for the test.

Big bikes are nice, but not around town, and not for tests.

Ironically, I've had my big bike license since my 16th birthday (according to my Swiss license), but my 125 license only when I was 27! (again, according to my Swiss license)

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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

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Hello - I'm hoping some more experienced riders might be able to advise us.

My husband and I are interested in buying our first motorcycles. We took lessons and are licensed but seem to be hitting the wall of very few "medium" bikes in CH. We want something stronger than a 125cc (and are licensed for stronger) so we can do some major road trips, but not something SO strong as 900 or 1000ccs because we want a bike that is easier to handle and not TOO powerful. I think as a result of the swiss licensing system, there isn't much of a market for bikes in the 250-600cc range. Any tips or ideas? We have contemplated trying to import from other countries but we aren't sure about logistics. We basically want something like a dual-sport and/or a travel touring...we think.

Any input on any of this? We feel pretty inexperienced in this realm...
What are you going to do with it ?

Playing - street triple
posing - sportster
Doing distance - not sure but Funduro/SV 650/ Aprilla Pegaso
Going fast everywhere - Honda CBR 600
Posing better than an HD - Moto Guzzi Cafe Racer
Ignoring everyone and just going for it - GS 1200
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Tom, I have 2. but to date have owned about 27 or so

OK, so very new then. I have been riding for 22 years and have had a fair few bikes in my time. I currently have a 19 year old immaculate Kawasaki ZZR 1100 C3 tricked to 185 Bhp and a new Kawasaki GTR 1400 (see avatar)(the picture above not the film, before these idiot in here start on me )

DO NOT start high, start low and work up. experience counts for everything on bikes and no matter how good you think you MAY be, you can still get bitten on the arse!

If you are planning to tour I suggest a bike with a fairing and at the very least a screen. Riding long distances in sometimes very adverse weather conditions is not comfortable after a while.

Buying a bike from Scotland for example will be waaaaay cheaper than over here. My new (to be) ZZR1400 will be on average nearly 4k cheaper to buy in the UK. remember you can ride it here for up to 1 year and in my honest opinion start with a wee small bike and tour here for the first year (Schwartzwald, Vosges, etc) get used to it (and the weather, dont stay a dry weather biker because if you get caught out one day and your not used to it, it could scare the pants of you) wet weather riding is a lot different and there is a few techniques to learn here too!

Next set of questions. Are you both getting one each?
is budget set?
When you looking to buy?

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Tom, I have 2. but to date have owned about 27 or so

OK, so very new then. I have been riding for 22 years and have had a fair few bikes in my time.
So I've had less bikes in my time (my '85 LeMans I bought new in the US, and brought with me when I moved here in '86, currently has 93k miles, the other LeMans was bought used in '91 to put a sidecar on with 39k km, currently hast 115k km, and have put on 125k km on my three Ducatis, mileage on the XV250 is negligable). But, I do all my own work, and keep them forever.

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Old 19.03.2011, 00:22
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Hmmm....I guess this is the tricky part.

I would love to get more experience with lower ccs, but I would also like a bike that can make it through the mountains without a struggle, and I'm not too keen to buy and sell, buy and sell. The bikes we rode in Canada were some 250Ninjas, 250Marauders, and Suzuki DRZ 400. We're both on the tall side.

I hope this doesn't sound defensive, I only wrote about our experience in the car to say that we love exploring, and we know it would be that much better on a bike. Two wheels is definitely different, and straight up more dangerous. Our teacher did a good job of scaring the hell out of us.

We've talked with the the canton and with our international license we won't need to take a test, now, or later when we need a swiss license.

This may be totally ignorant, but does a 650 FEEL a lot different than a 250? Could I go just take it easy and sort of "grow into it?" I imagine it depends on the bike, and weight, etc...
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Don't bother with a smaller bike - you control the throttle. If you get a 250 you will find it fails to live up to the "get out on the high way, looking for adventure" bit

Modern 600 Plus are easy to ride.
I learnt in 4days on a 100 cc and bought a 900cc - but it not the route for everyone.

A modern 600 IL4 can put out 100 BHP. But they can be easy to ride ...
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

When I made my initial suggestion (F650) above, I didn't realise you didn't have many road miles/hours under your belt.
I'm sure for "normal" riding, you won't have any problems with this size bike, but it's in the unexpected, emergency situations where the weight and power of such a bike could cause problems.

Reactions need to be second nature as often there is no time to think in order to avoid a nasty situation. If you accidentally do the wrong thing with the wrong control, then this is even more accentuated with a bike of this size.

Defensive riding techniques only come with experience - experience that may be better gained on a slightly smaller bike - I suggest 4-500 size max. (should still have sufficient power for mountain roads).
Here, you are quite fortunate, that there is not too great a density of road traffic, as compared to other countries, but like everywhere else there is a right mixed bag of drivers. You only need to find a bad one once ...

However, you could be your own worst enemies. You only have to get your speed and road positioning wrong on a tight mountain hairpin, and you could easily over-cook it with a bigger bike (you don't always realise your own speed on bigger bikes). Unfortunately, on occasions I still mis-read unknown roads, but fortunately I have the experience to get away with it (so far!) [I got my licence over 30yrs. ago and have amassed over a quarter-of-a-million 2-wheeled miles ... just so you know I'm not a boy racer, or an old-fuddy on a Sunday cruise on a noisy US oil-leaker (but slowly getting there)].

I know you don't want to buy/sell, but depending on the duration of your stay, one intermediate step, may be your best bet.

EDIT: What about something like this:

http://www.motoscout24.ch/AS24Web/Mo...8&page=2&row=2

OR

http://www.motoscout24.ch/AS24Web/Mo...8&page=2&row=3

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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Thank you for your words of wisdom TiMow, I appreciate your thoughts.

Okay, let's come back to the drawing board here. What would people recommend in the 400-500 size, as well as any tips on where to find these. It seems because of the licensing system here, these bikes are rare in Switzerland, with most people having a 125 scooter/motorcycle or a 650+ motorcycle. Even at the Motoshow in Zurich we were hard pressed to find anything below 650...we're not opposed to a smaller bike, just having a hard time finding something suitable for our intentions, and maybe getting a little impatient with the search.
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Did you see my link additions?

These suggestions are too, a compromise on what has been advised - still need to be "handled with care".

You can use MotoScout24 to search (use advanced search [Erweiterte] to fine tune).

Available in French, if that is preferred.

German:
http://www.motoscout24.ch/AS24Web/Mo...l=1&navpos=310

French:
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Re: Motorcycle Purchase Advise?

Thank you! All these links are quite helpful. We've also found:

http://www.bikez.com/bike/rating.php?idbike=20499

which has been a nice frame of reference for us in terms of comparing different specs, ratings, etc...

Any thoughts on say the BMW 650, that has been throttled to 25Kw - we were surprised to see this possibility at the motoshow. I don't know if this is reversible or not: for example, it would be nice to have a lower-power bike to start out, and as we gain experience and skill, have it reverted back to it's original power. OR does this result in problems with handling etc?
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