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Personally, I hate going into a restaurant and being treated as an idiot.
exactly. And we would have a post in complaints corner: "So I ordered steak tartar and waiter asked me if I really want it and do I know what it is! How patronizing, do they think we're all idiots or something?"

here the waiter brought what was ordered, didn't even argue when they said he brought them the wrong thing; did what was asked even though a well done steak tartar must have reduced the cook to tears, the manager even got involved - I don't really see what else they could have done?
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A few years ago in the U.K., when asking for a espresso, I invariably got asked whether I really wanted one and did I realise it was quite a small amount of coffee.
But did they pronounce it "expresso"?
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Re: Episode from Annemasse (who is right?)

As far as I'm aware, Steak Tartar is just that on any menu, in any western countries' restaurants. It's a generic term. (I believe it originates from the Tartar region of now Russia/Mongolia (sorry haven't time to Google or Wiki, so may not be accurate).

I also thought that it's not so uncommon, that the majority of diners should be at least familiar with what it is, even if never having eaten it. (I even believe there have been several TV comedy sketches involving it because of it being raw meat).

What hasn't been mentioned thus far (at time of typing), is that it should be minced prime fillet steak (which as diners know can be eaten dripping blood with just the arse wiped and horns whipped off when "cooked" rare). This is because there is a low fat content and the meat is very tender as it hasn't had to do much work, when it was in situ.
It's an expensive mistake for the restaurant to bear - especially if they don't have gourmet hamburgers on the menu.

For me, it's a case of ignorance on the side of the diners - not because they didn't know what it was, but because they didn't have the common sense to ask.

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I average about one steak tartar meal per week - it's one of my favourite foods. The incident is unfortunate. If I had a restaurant and a group of Americans came in and ordered anything other than cheeseburgers and fries I'd be at pains to explain to them what each thing was. Even the cheeseburger, I'd walk them through the fact that this isn't plasticised American cheese. Unfortunately, Americans aren't often well travelled and often can't conceive of cultural differences.
untrue. americans are just as well traveled as anybody else and on the average even more attuned to cultural differences than residents of more culturally homogenous countries.
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untrue. americans are just as well traveled as anybody else and on the average even more attuned to cultural differences than residents of more culturally homogenous countries.
Um....and you're sure about that?

http://www.passportmagazine.com/blog...n-the-USA.html
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In most American cities, you can find a much wider variety of cuisines than you would find here or in France....
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untrue. americans are just as well traveled as anybody else and on the average even more attuned to cultural differences than residents of more culturally homogenous countries.
This is wonderful. I want to thank and groan this comment at the same time.
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yes absolutely. let's compare apples to apples. take people from the larger cities and coasts and compare instead of taking your sample from the deep south, a poor and very rural place. poor and rural people from any country are not the ones who are going to be traveling the world, they have problems bigger than deciding whether to book a flight that allows for a 1 hr transfer window from one terminal to another on the opposite end of the airport.

also look at ease of travel - americans have to go a lot further to get to another country. if you're in say, switzerland, you can access all of europe within an hour by plane. so travel is relative in this sense.
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It's also true that 90% of passport-holding Europeans purchase all-inclusive holiday packages to some crappy, concrete beachside resort surrounded by their fellow countrymen. Their idea of going out for culture is to head to town to indulge in an "English Breakfast" following the previous night of binge drinking.

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This is wonderful. I want to thank and groan this comment at the same time.
groan it, because from people like you it's validating.
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In most American cities, you can find a much wider variety of cuisines than you would find here or in France....
..... MacDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Pizza Express, American Diners, American Delis, Hot Wok (or Chinese equivalent), etc., etc.
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I am with you on this one, but you would be surprised what people eat...raw..
Considering how popular sushi is now around the world, I'm surprised that steak tartare is not as accepted. Raw high-quality beef is fantastic and it is not just traditional in France (carpaccio in Italy, yuk hoe in Korea, etc.).

The weirdest thing I ate raw was certain parts of conch (bottom crawling sea snails). Yum...
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..... MacDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Pizza Express, American Diners, American Delis, Hot Wok (or Chinese equivalent), etc., etc.
http://www.michelinguide.com/us/2010_nyc_stars.html

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But did they pronounce it "expresso"?
I love ordering an espresso here with urban Yank company. The pained look on their faces when ordering with the correct French expresso is priceless .
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..... MacDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Pizza Express, American Diners, American Delis, Hot Wok (or Chinese equivalent), etc., etc.
Italian, Chinese, Mexican, Indian, Brazilian, Carribean, Argentinian, Chinese, Japanese, Tex Mex, Cajun, French, Thai, etc., etc.
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Considering how popular sushi is now around the world, I'm surprised that steak tartare is not as accepted. Raw high-quality beef is fantastic and it is not just traditional in France (carpaccio in Italy, yuk hoe in Korea, etc.).

The weirdest thing I ate raw was certain parts of conch (bottom crawling sea snails). Yum...
Oh god that calzone I have in my mouth started tasting weird....

Well, one shouldn't grow up with health authorities at home who's fav dinner past time is going over stats of strange neurological illnesses caused by the animals being fed by toxic proteins. Not everywhere quality of meat is as good as here, as organic or fresh. I can't even get past the taste of some cooked meat in France, just tastes a little too...stale, old. So, I never had raw meat, raw game and pretty much no beef (only warmed up to it here).

Sea food slime is just a question of texture, though.
I'd boil all sushis if you ask me. Barbarically.

But if I go eat in Annemasse, we pick local products in lovely little stores and have a picnic, usually, in that large lake shore park area.
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Shame, what could have been a funny incident (to learn from) moves to be another "you = snob, me = culture" thread... awesome
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Appreciate the link (obviously I'm aware there are Michelin starred chefs and restaurants, really).

Unfortunately my area of familiarity and recollection is more west coast than eastern seaboard.

I admit to never having eaten at Wolgang Puck's or other pseudo up-market restaurants on the strip, but they are few and far between, compared to those (and similar) I listed above (but it was meant, a bit, as tongue-in-cheek provocation).
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But if I go eat in Annemasse, we pick local products in lovely little stores and have a picnic, usually, in that large lake shore park area.
Darlin', you thinkin' of Annecy I do believe. Annemasse is quite different.
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... and that's just on Fifth Avenue.
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