Lol, there is a chess opening called the Icelandic Gambit, where a piece is sacrificed for rapid development

....and no, she is not talking bout me.

Brilliant! You've got eyes like an eagle!

The system won't let me give you any more rep for that post, but if I could I would...

Them foreigners hey

Anyway, as an aside, I'm so glad you've found a good'un in the end. I was so lucky to get mine early and not to have had to kiss too many frogs first.
Never been one to care much for my reputation- a great legacy from growing up in a small Swiss village. You either toe the line - or you do what you want (second is much more fun). Cheers.

Begga I know some women (one of my daughters and a couple of very good friends) who attracted the 'wrong' men again and again - but in the end somehow found a good soul mate. You need to try and analyse how you get there. My daughter would only meet men at Clubs and Discos, and just went for the best looking macho ones. Then she found her now man in a totally different setting. She would have never picked him normally - but he's turned out to be the one.
Bonne chance. Stop looking- men can spot a woman (and the other way round of course) who is trying perhaps a bit too hard, several miles away. (Please do not take offence).

She was worth the wait, but I only found her because I:

• didn't change my attitude towards women one bit, despite my experiences; and
• maintained high expectations throughout.

If you expect to marry a bitch, you'll marry a bitch. If you expect to find someone lovely, you'll find someone lovely.

It might take a long time, and you are probably going to get pretty badly hurt along the way, but the key is to keep going, and not give up an ounce of your humanity in the process.

People are crap and people are lovely. I love being human, me!

I think women have different motives and drives. Like I said, I know this one girl and I'm quite cross at her for her behavior because she is hurting these guys.

Nah, that's cobblers.

Women are just as shallow, pathetic, selfish, proud, horny, confused, angry, afraid, thoughtful, brave, needy, kind, honest and cowardly as any man.

Which is why this entire thread is a bit silly.

bugger!

apparently i have to spread it about a bit before giving it to you again.

That's what she said.

So men also do send mixed messages too then and it's not just in my head?
phew, that is one big relive for today.

What about a woman who has no problem to play in an other woman's backyard? She is not hurting the man but contribute to hurt the other woman.

At the end of the day, it isn't who you hurt.... It is that you hurt someone.

Begga, I am not very good at playing games. If you like the guy, if you didn't invite him out yet, why don't you take the lead and do so? You organise all the time plenty of nice events, you could invite him to join (if you don't want to look in need of a ''date'').

It has nothing wrong for a girl to invite the guy out.

I for one would find it a welcome change to meet a girl confident enough to go for what she wants.

Men are the most stupid and simple life being on earth when it comes to interest in sex/women/relationship. If he wants her, he will go and grab her. No need to facilitate or any other tricks. If he does not move, forget about him and go to next best alternative.

I did!
Ca week after the 2nd date i made rather spontaneous offer for lunch, and ended up joining him and his colleagues. So I've contributed something to say 'yes i'm interested' (and also telling him he's so funny and all that). So I expected him to make the next move within reasonable time frame.
But okay, doesn't really matter, I'm moving on already. Guess billhardie was right, all I need is a little hug.

Awww! So you did invite him already. Ok, move on! So many handsome guys around! If it gives you a headache just to get a date out of his nose, imagine what it would be to actually be with the guy....

Hey, a new guy is coming into town!

To answer the OP, I know that personally, I went for the bad boys because it was easier for me to stay detached. And yes, they brought me down and picked me back up...and yes, I went back a few times for more, but I knew what I was doing. I wasn't ready to be in the kind of (rewarding) relationship that values both parties and that treats me with the respect that I knew I needed to make me want to stay involved and get serious.

I agree with this whole post... just quoted the things I most agree with.

If he is interested, he will let you know. Full stop. If you are feeling like he is not making time for you (ie-neglecting you), 99% of the time, he is doing it on purpose to try to signal to you how he feels. And lets be clear, women are definitely (equally) guilty of it.

I really believe it is all about you (the collective "you" of course). If you are comfortable with yourself and are (mostly) self-aware, then you can find happiness in a relationship. If you are honest with yourself and know what you have to offer and what you need to work on (to better yourself for you and not for the other person), then you can be honest about these things to a significant other.

When you are ready, it happens. It sounds so cliche, but it is very true. And in the meanwhile, be selfish... If you aren't looking out for you, no one will.

times like these im glad im not in the dating world!

honestly, if you like him and find him interesting, well you have already put yourself out there once. now, personally i would go about my life- do your own things and when you feel like it, call him and spontaneously invite him for a drink, when and if you feel like it. if he isnt interested, he will eventually say no and as time goes by you may not be interested in making the move to see him anyway. but, if he seems nice and you like spending time with him, just offer a time you are free to have a drink or whatever...i wouldnt worry too much about how it looks that you are the one calling (as long as it isnt every day or possible stalker material). there isnt anything wrong with making yourself available to hang out- if you want to go out

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'there isn't enough of anything as long as we live.
but at intervals a sweetness appears and, given a chance prevails'

Is the collective you the reason why women go to the toilet together??

That is for pure gossiping and tips & tricks sharing...

You didn't hear it from me!

Wait till she gets a bit older...
ex of mine nearly wrecked my entire life...
always had guys hangin out of her...
always had inventive justifications for her actions
fast forward to her 35th birthday ... alone...
now 38 and hitting the bottle ...

I don't shed any tears for her - she totally destroyed several marraiges (not her own) , couple of years of my life , one guy utterly ruined.