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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

Actually I'm waiting for Clarejane to start a thread about what kinda wedding dress she should wear.

Whilst UTH is out and about in Antwerp you know ...

The thing is they don't bury threads here.
In the oh so OffTopic section I think they disappear after a year or something like that. Thank God they do.
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

Brilliant cut diamonds are beautiful, the way they catch sunlight is mesmorising. Totally agree that simple is best, no point in buying a quality stone & wrapping it in too much.

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I am all for the design idea, but personally, the simplest design with brilliant cut diamonds in a 3/4 feet clasp or 1/2 moon clasp and a platinum band are hard to beat for me. There is a diamond shop/factory in Antwerp that offers a free overnight stay (4/5 star hotel for my ring budget), and the prices for the stones are generally 1/2 of Zurich prices. I would be a fool not to take this up. I can really improve on the colour and clarity for the same budget.

CJ is away for two weeks , so this thread will be long buried then Now to find an overnight babysitter for two 12 year olds and start checking flights.


Thanks all, the suggestions are most welcome.

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I think bigger vs smaller depends on the person, and how you intend to wear the ring. I never take mine off, for example.

Originally, I wasn't going to have an engagement ring, but then we saw something that we both liked. I have a small round ( bit more than 1/2 karat) stone with baguettes on either side. It is fairly simple still, but catches the light beautifully. Fairly good diamond, but nowhere near 3 months salary either. My ring has a small enough profile that it can stay on my finger almost all the time. And I have short stubby fingers so it works for me. I think simple is good, but I like small touches like the baguettes. And, I bought my future husband a watch as an engagement present.

Funny story about my diamond. We'd been married about 10 years and one morning I got up and ran errands. Looked at my hand at some point, and my main diamond was gone. Frantically looked everywhere, no luck. Two days later, I was getting into the car and saw something shiny in the driveway seam. My diamond. My diamond had survived two days of pouring rain and the car going in and out. It had a little damage, but was fine to reset into the ring.

Anyway, I wish you both lots of happiness, and hope you find something you both like.
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

Visit one of the leading jewelery stores in Switzerland decide which Diamond you want or rather which one will make her happy (cut, carat, color and clarity) pm me the exact details and id be surprised if i cant beat the price by at least 20-30 % plus a small profit for myself. Really want to try and get into this business...
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

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.Given a fixed amount/upper limit of dosh to choose a ring would you go for, say a flawless colour D 0.7-1.0 carat sparkly , or trade up in size for 1.5 carat internally flawed rock ?

Would you want to choose it yourself or not ?
Just out of interest...
Lots of opinions have been given already, but I would suggest upping the budget- we ladies do show off our rings and although everyone says size does not matter and we blah, blah, blah about the other c's online... it's the "omg, he gave me a xx carat diamond" that excites and makes one speak with their blingy hand. You can always earn more money, but only surprise her once.

Having done the Antwerp trip twice "to check things out" it really wasn't worth it- it's too overwelming unless you already know what you want. You can try on rings here and see what is appreciated, looks good and then start to see how you want to go about it. My friend bought the diamond and then was seeing about settings when I unfortunately ended it; this was before I could slide that "OMG!" on my finger and for him to say "you can keep it".

Btw, you really can't resell diamonds, no one seems to want a "used" one, but it can be handed down.
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

Thats not true at all, if you have a used Diamond in prefect condition that you want to sell and its big enough for the hassle to deal with it, there are plenty of people who will buy it of you, you might not get anywhere near the price that it cost you but youl still get a couple of thousand and sometimes even rid of bad memories...

And ive also done the Antwerp trip and its so not worth it if you dont know exactly what you want, and if you do know exactly what you want, just tell me and ill get it to you from there.

[/QUOTE] Btw, you really can't resell diamonds, no one seems to want a "used" one, but it can be handed down. [/QUOTE]
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

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Of course, one can also first choose the diamond and then choose the ring it's set in afterwards
I agree - that's what my husband did. He completely surprised me with a diamond and then let me choose the setting.

Perfect, lovely surprise, angst taken out of decision on how much to spend (not at all romantic that!) and I got to choose what I wanted on my finger for the rest of my life.
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Lots of opinions have been given already, but I would suggest upping the budget- we ladies do show off our rings and although everyone says size does not matter and we blah, blah, blah about the other c's online... it's the "omg, he gave me a xx carat diamond" that excites and makes one speak with their blingy hand. You can always earn more money, but only surprise her once.
I guess it's horses for courses. In much of Europe, the engagement ring is a token, a symbol. The ring is small and tasteful, an expression of commitment rather than some sort of reverse dowry. A small ring doesn't mean that the giver loves you any less...

In the US, bigger is always better. I remember a time when the conventional wisdom was that you should spend one month's salary on a ring. De Beers and the other diamond merchants have invested a fortune in advertising to convince you now that it should be three months salary.

I've also seen plenty of women who clearly went for carats, carats, carats. They've got big, dull, grey looking stones on their fingers with no life. Sure, it gives them bragging rights about how big their ring is, but there's no escaping the fact that they're basically wearing an ugly lump of carbon on their finger.

The beauty of a diamond is all in its sparkle, its fire. This comes first and foremost from the quality of the cut. A small sparkler will always be more beautiful and attract more attention than something bigger without the same life.

I didn't buy my wife the biggest diamond in the shop. I didn't even buy her the biggest ring I could afford. I bought her a ring with a lovely diamond that I thought would suit her hand. We saved the extra money and had a superb honeymoon as a result.

I don't think she loves me any less because of it...
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I guess it's horses for courses. In much of Europe, the engagement ring is a token, a symbol. The ring is small and tasteful, an expression of commitment rather than some sort of reverse dowry. A small ring doesn't mean that the giver loves you any less...

I didn't buy my wife the biggest diamond in the shop. I didn't even buy her the biggest ring I could afford. I bought her a ring with a lovely diamond that I thought would suit her hand. We saved the extra money and had a superb honeymoon as a result.

I don't think she loves me any less because of it...
It's a symbol that you wear every day of your life.... one persons small and tasteless is another persons speck. Let it be clear, I do understand the cultural differences and am in no way deriding personal choices (you chose honemoon over bling); I myself had a sapphire in a setting similiar to Princess Diana's as "where I am from" diamonds really weren't done.

We know the op (I am not divulging private info Mods, all this is on the EF!) is not in his 20's, it's not the first time out and he has a profession so he can go for some umph (sp?).

Let's be honest it really is a private matter between UTH and CJ; whatever is chosen will be what they want and can do.
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

I agree with all the people who suggested letting the woman pick out or design the ring. I would have been devastated if my hubby picked out a ring I didn't like. We went to the jewellers together and I ended up designing my own ring. He went to pick it up so I never saw the finished product until he presented it to me at a family engagement party. So there was still an element of surprise.

I really like the suggestion of buying the stone and letting your finance pick out the setting - that way you have something to present to her when you pop the question and the suggestions to make a holiday of it. Good luck!!
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I agree with all the people who suggested letting the woman pick out or design the ring. I would have been devastated if my hubby picked out a ring I didn't like. We went to the jewellers together and I ended up designing my own ring. He went to pick it up so I never saw the finished product until he presented it to me at a family engagement party. So there was still an element of surprise.

I really like the suggestion of buying the stone and letting your finance pick out the setting - that way you have something to present to her when you pop the question and the suggestions to make a holiday of it. Good luck!!
I also favour this option.

CJ has put me in an awful position, saying one thing but secretly meaning another. I know she would love to choose her ring. I also know she would love to have a surprise when she gets back. So, choosing the stone with my male financial mind, and letting CJ choose the ring design will hopefully allow my sphericals to remain in-situ.
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So I let the lady choose and not surprise her ?
If you already asked her, she already said yes, then the ring its just a formality. I think the surprise is the proposal and the ring is to seal the deal.
If you really want to surprise her, you could check very well her ring colection and see for yourself what she prefers, also if she doenst normally uses rings its better to choose the ones that arent so big and have the diamond into the gold, silver, titanium...etc
But if she is from EF and for sure will read the thread, just let her chose, aint surprise anymore haha
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

Size is relative. If the lady is used to wearing other jewels or (worse) chunky costume jewelry, the diamond may need to be bigger or the setting fancier to hold its own.

It's a symbol, yes - for the wearer. If she is not inclined to take the view that bigger rock = more exciting (or the view that sparklier rock = more exciting, for that matter) then that is all that matters; her face will carry the excitement her heart feels, her friends will respond to that, and the rest of the world can... can go into the corner and talk to itself. "Lalalalala - I am ETTMWMIATW and I can't hear you!"


Anyway, I look at my ring far more often than the rest of the world looks at it - my girlfriends included - so past the first telling, who cares what they think?

For me the diamond (regardless of size) mattered as a link to tradition: my mother had one like it, his mother too. We are not the first to feel this way, it says, to take this leap together. When love blazes up between you, when not only your lover but your whole world suddenly seems fresh and marvellous and altogether too good to be true - when that happens, there is a certain comfort in acknowledging that what you are doing is, for all your ecstasies of feeling, something entirely decorous and conventional and un-bohemian: in a word, that you are doing the Done Thing, in more or less the done manner. (I suppose this is all just a rather long-winded way of adding my $0.02, somewhat at variance with all the suggestions for fancyspecialsnowflake designs. Of course as J.L-P says, it's a personal choice - but there is comfort in the well-trodden path.)

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Arrgghhh MN - you brought a tear in my eye
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

MN is right,

I still look at my ring after all those years (ok 3.5 years...)

And I love my ring, I love to look at it, here, on my finger and knowing that it means I am married to that man, yes, that one there!

I don't care if others like it. I was happy to do my show off at the beginning, but after the show is over, you have to like your ring because you'll wear it everyday of your life!
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

Well here it is.....

After much deliberation on the part of UTH we ended up choosing together. The perfect size and sparkle
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Wow! Nice sparkler you have there. Congratulations & enjoy wearing it

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After much deliberation on the part of UTH we ended up choosing together. The perfect size and sparkle
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Re: Ladies, is there such a thing as "too big" when you give 'er one ?

Two words:

Wo-Aw!

There is a girl who'll spend a lot of time staring at her finger! This is a lovely ring!

Me loving bling-bling!
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Btw, you really can't resell diamonds, no one seems to want a "used" one, but it can be handed down.
Wrong, I'm specifically looking for one.

An Old European Cut Diamond, it looks very different from a modern princess cut and was hand cut using diamonds rather than modern techniques.

It gives a different look and doesn't shout bling like modern diamonds. It's what her indoors wants and I shall find. Well when I eventually do, these things are like rocking horse poo. They have to be split from existing rings then I'll get a mount made.

I suppose all my fault with a very old friend who was a jeweller, I shouldn't have told her what to look for and how much choice she can have. If you wanted a "d" in this stone at 2ct you'd be talking 5 figures btw min, they just don't exist and those that have them won't sell them.

Until then I got her a "placeholder" that she wanted, its concentric circles of diamonds to 1ct, which luckily for her she can wear on the other hand as a "dress" ring when I eventually source this nuisance of a diamond.
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Well here it is.....

After much deliberation on the part of UTH we ended up choosing together. The perfect size and sparkle
It's STUNNING!
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