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Re: Duke beats Prince?

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Britain had a German monarch not so very long ago ...
They still have.

The original family name was Saxe-Coburg Gotha, but after (prior to/during?) WWI, King George V (same bloodline as current Royal Family) thought to change it to the English sounding "Windsor", due to the anti-Germanic feeling.
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:40
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Re: Duke beats Prince?

We did away with the imperial measuerment system because it was stupid, maybe we should bring in an equivalent metric system for the monarchy.
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Darn this is complicated...back to watch tv
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:41
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Ahhhh... OK! I did warn it was all very confusing so you need to speak slowly...

But then would it become the Kingdom of UK (etc, etc what ever it is now) & Norway? Would they not merge?
No, just as GB didn't merge with Germany (and the British monarch has never ruled Germany).

The British monarch is just a figurehead, I tells ya ... (this from an Australian republican).
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:44
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To clarify (or more likely obfuscate), Wills is a prince by birth, but does not hold the title of Prince (with a capital P) -- as far as I know. The only principality in the UK is Wales, hence there can be only one capital P Prince, and that is always the heir apparent to the throne -- currently Chucky.
Indeed. Anyone can be a prince (sort of, but there are loads, including the fact that you could be British but a princely descendent of a non-UK principality. One thing you will not be, however, is an HRH Prince/Princess. This means you are part of the close Royal Family and are in the line of succession. The title of Duke/Duchess is the highest noble title now, but it used to be Prince - your noble title just refers to the size/independence from the Crown of the bit of land you own. So you can have all the titles, or just some of them. However some of the bits of land have historical significance and are non-hereditary. Non-hereditary titles revert to the monarch upon death so she can reconfer them.
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:45
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No, just as GB didn't merge with Germany (and the British monarch has never ruled Germany).
Are we talking about Prince Albert? I don't think he was a king.

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The British monarch is just a figurehead, I tells ya ... (this from an Australian republican).
Well, yes. Clearly this is only theoretical....

I still think that UK (et all) would become part of Norway!
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The British monarch is just a figurehead, I tells ya ... (this from an Australian republican).
Tut tut no. Or yes, in as much as the US Constitution is a bit of chip wrapping. They're both either people/bits of paper, or the lens through which all power, authority, law and stately structure are focussed.
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:47
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Indeed. Anyone can be a prince (sort of, but there are loads, including the fact that you could be British but a princely descendent of a non-UK principality. One thing you will not be, however, is an HRH Prince/Princess. This means you are part of the close Royal Family and are in the line of succession. The title of Duke/Duchess is the highest noble title now, but it used to be Prince - your noble title just refers to the size/independence from the Crown of the bit of land you own. So you can have all the titles, or just some of them. However some of the bits of land have historical significance and are non-hereditary. Non-hereditary titles revert to the monarch upon death so she can reconfer them.
Well, you're a prince of a guy! Thanks for that!
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Re: Duke beats Prince?

To confuse it more. Prince Edward is a Count. He wasn't made a Duke
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Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus
Oh. I've seen that film. He gets his head chopped off at the end.
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:50
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Are we talking about Prince Albert? I don't think he was a king.
No, no -- his cousin (and wife -- they're an odd family) would be closer.
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:52
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Prince Edward is a Count.
That's harsh.

Oh. Count.
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To confuse it more. Prince Edward is a Count. He wasn't made a Duke
Earl of Wessex. He's still a bit of a count though
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:53
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Are we talking about Prince Albert? I don't think he was a king.
No, Victoria. It was all one big inter-bred happy family in those days.
Victoria had loads of cousins scattered around Europe, of which Kaiser Bill (Wilhelm) of Germany (as in WWI adversary) and Tsar Nicholas of Russia (of Revolution fame), were just two. I think there was even a blood link to Albert.
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Old 29.04.2011, 15:54
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To confuse it more. Prince Edward is a Count. He wasn't made a Duke
Nope, actually he's the Earl of Wessex but you're right, a Duke would be higher. The reason he's the Earl of Wessex rather than the Duke of Cambridge was because he asked to be. And so would I. Wessex used to be the Kingdom of Wessex and has a much cooler history. But that wasn't his reason. Nooo. He wanted the titled because he liked the movie Shakespeare in Love
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Tut tut no. Or yes, in as much as the US Constitution is a bit of chip wrapping. They're both either people/bits of paper, or the lens through which all power, authority, law and stately structure are focussed.
The monarch is just a person. Could be a sheep farmer from Australia, an Italian playboy, or an inbred overprivileged individual whose distant descendants happened to be slightly better on horseback, or slightly more devious, than their peers. Whatever, that person holds the fabric of British society together no better than any other person wearing the appropriate robes and (stolen) jewellery. Allegedly.
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Are we talking about Prince Albert? I don't think he was a king.
Prince Albert?

Hurts like hell to begin with.
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To confuse it more. Prince Edward is a Count Earl. He wasn't made a Duke
They said on TV that he in fact was offered the Duke of Cambridge title which he turned down... I'm dubious. A duke is higher than an Earl no? Why would he turn it down?
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Re: Duke beats Prince?

Queen is not just a figurehead, from what I've heard from a law student, she owns the entire UK. The Queen can evict anyone from any property.

Not saying she would, but she has the legal power to do so.
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Queen is not just a figurehead, from what I've heard from a law student, she owns the entire UK. The Queen can evict anyone from any property.

Not saying she would, but she has the legal power to do so.
Nope. Not true. Betty isn't even the wealthiest woman, let alone person, in the UK.

She can't evict rightful landowners, especially where freehold comes into play. And the Duke of Westminster owns far more property than Liz.
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