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Nope, actually he's the Earl of Wessex but you're right, a Duke would be higher. The reason he's the Earl of Wessex rather than the Duke of Cambridge was because he asked to be. And so would I. Wessex used to be the Kingdom of Wessex and has a much cooler history. But that wasn't his reason. Nooo. He wanted the titled because he liked the movie Shakespeare in Love
Told you. Slow internet... I just asked this.


Are you sure? That sounds like an urban legend.
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Old 29.04.2011, 16:58
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No, Victoria. It was all one big inter-bred happy family in those days.
Victoria had loads of cousins scattered around Europe, of which Kaiser Bill (Wilhelm) of Germany (as in WWI adversary) and Tsar Nicholas of Russia (of Revolution fame), were just two. I think there was even a blood link to Albert.
She was also a Haemophilia A carrier, hence most of the blood lines of europe carry the gene to this day.
Apparently Kaiser Wilhelm II was her favourite Grandson
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Old 29.04.2011, 16:59
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The monarch is just a person. Could be a sheep farmer from Australia, an Italian playboy, or an inbred overprivileged individual whose distant descendants happened to be slightly better on horseback, or slightly more devious, than their peers. Whatever, that person holds the fabric of British society together no better than any other person wearing the appropriate robes and (stolen) jewellery. Allegedly.
Disagree. The monarch is a person of special significance. OK, so we're all atoms at the core, but so what. The monarch actually couldn't be a sheep farmer or anything else, and we're all where we are now because of our antecedents relative skill on horseback and therefore their ability to take the female who was slightly genetically stronger and so forth - just their family is better recorded than most. Doesn't matter. They hold a highly significant place in society. Go to court. It's Her Majesty's court. Her police force, prison, army and navy. No one wants to die for David Cameron, not because he's a bad guy but because he was democratically elected and probably won't be around when you're face down in a ditch next. Elected officials are transient and rarely inspire anything. A monarchy or a constitution provides tangible continuity and that's really what we're all looking for in life - a link to the past and to the future and for many it's the corpus of the nation. Yeah.
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No, Victoria. It was all one big inter-bred happy family in those days.
Victoria had loads of cousins scattered around Europe, of which Kaiser Bill (Wilhelm) of Germany (as in WWI adversary) and Tsar Nicholas of Russia (of Revolution fame), were just two. I think there was even a blood link to Albert.
Ok. But she wasn't in a position to inherit "Germany" (or parts of it) like in my theoretical situation above where King Harald would inherit the UK thus making the UK part of Norway.
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Old 29.04.2011, 17:02
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Are you sure? That sounds like an urban legend.
I know. It's pretty embarassing. But I reckon the movie is just how he learned about Wessex. Movie or not, I'd take Wessex.
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Old 29.04.2011, 17:02
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She was also a Haemophilia A carrier, hence most of the blood lines of europe carry the gene to this day.
Apparently Kaiser Wilhelm II was her favourite Grandson
I may be suffering from generation inaccuracies - with your prompting (and a bit of recollection) the cousin aspect to Victoria, that I mentioned above, was in fact meant for her son who became King Edward VII.
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Ok. But she wasn't in a position to inherit "Germany" (or parts of it) like in my theoretical situation above where King Harald would inherit the UK thus making the UK part of Norway.
A fine theory, spoiled only by the fact that the monarch doesn't own Britain, so has even less chance of owning the country over which some distantly-related person is the figurehead "ruler".

The Queen is head of state of the UK. Barry O'Bama is head of state of the USA. Neither owns the state of which they are head.
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Old 29.04.2011, 17:05
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I know. It's pretty embarassing. But I reckon the movie is just how he learned about Wessex. Movie or not, I'd take Wessex.
Either way, I'm not a huge fan of Duke of Cambridge. I wonder if there is a list of title William (well or the Wessex guy) could have picked from?
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Disagree.
I disagree that we disagree:

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The monarch actually couldn't be a sheep farmer or anything else
Absolutely, especially the "anything else" part.
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Nope. Not true. Betty isn't even the wealthiest woman, let alone person, in the UK.

She can't evict rightful landowners, especially where freehold comes into play. And the Duke of Westminster owns far more property than Liz.
Own as in owning the "freehold" or the right to occupy etc, does not mean absolute ownership of the land.

Not talking about personal Estate of an Aristocrat or Monarch but the legal title of ownership of the Queen/Crown?!

Also British people are not exactly citizens of UK but Royal subjects.

Sorry, its a bit complicated for me to explain the full legal bit, but thats what I had heard in short, non-lawyer terms.
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Economisto do you deny that the line of succession has been seriously tampered with on many occasions in the past? The evidence for Hastings is pretty clear - and he is indeed a sheep farmer in OZ.
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Old 29.04.2011, 17:09
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Nope, actually he's the Earl of Wessex but you're right, a Duke would be higher. The reason he's the Earl of Wessex rather than the Duke of Cambridge was because he asked to be. And so would I. Wessex used to be the Kingdom of Wessex and has a much cooler history. But that wasn't his reason. Nooo. He wanted the titled because he liked the movie Shakespeare in Love
... and he didn't want to end up being portrayed and remembered for prosperity, like this:

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Old 29.04.2011, 17:09
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Either way, I'm not a huge fan of Duke of Cambridge. I wonder if there is a list of title William (well or the Wessex guy) could have picked from?
The monarch created all the titles, and any monarch can create new titles any time they like. The present Queen has created the Dukedom of York and the Dukedom of Cambridge for Prince Andrew and Prince William respectively.
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Old 29.04.2011, 17:10
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A fine theory, spoiled only by the fact that the monarch doesn't own Britain, so has even less chance of owning the country over which some distantly-related person is the figurehead "ruler".

The Queen is head of state of the UK. Barry O'Bama is head of state of the USA. Neither owns the state of which they are head.
Darling, I've already said this is a theoretical conversation. Clearly even if the monarch wasn't just a figure head.... the 68 people above him are not going to die.

You are not obliged to play my game with me....
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Also British people are not exactly citizens of UK but Royal subjects.
No, they are British citizens, as noted in British passports. They ae also, anachronistically, subjects of HRH.
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Old 29.04.2011, 17:13
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The monarch created all the titles, and any monarch can create new titles any time they like. The present Queen has created the Dukedom of York and the Dukedom of Cambridge for Prince Andrew and Prince William respectively.
The Queen may have resurrected this titles, but these are old titles and Dukedoms from times gone by.
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Economisto do you deny that the line of succession has been seriously tampered with on many occasions in the past? The evidence for Hastings is pretty clear - and he is indeed a sheep farmer in OZ.
I don't know what you mean by "Tampered with". The succession is sound. Obviously I'd pledge allegiance if this guy ever claimed the throne. But I'll take what I can get for now.
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The monarch created all the titles, and any monarch can create new titles any time they like. The present Queen has created the Dukedom of York and the Dukedom of Cambridge for Prince Andrew and Prince William respectively.
Both titles existed already. QEII did not create these titles.
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The Queen may have resurrected this titles, but these are old titles and Dukedoms from times gone by.
Well sort of. She creates them anew each time. The Dukedom of York has never been passed on and has always been recreated by the monarch. The monarch can create them, modify them or invent totally new titles and lands as they see fit.
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Old 29.04.2011, 17:16
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But then would it become the Kingdom of UK (etc, etc what ever it is now) & Norway? Would they not merge?
Nay, only Moderators can merge...
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