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miniMia 29.04.2011 15:15

Duke beats Prince?
 
I have looked this up (not on EF though), but I don't quite get it... Can some one explain to this not very bright common person:

Is a Duke higher than a Prince? Why did Prince William become a Duke but then he will be a Prince again when his father becomes king.... :confused:

Oh, and just so you know, if the right 60 people die then the UK (et al) will become part of Norway! Wouldn't that be fun?

Guest 29.04.2011 15:16

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
No (to answer your first question).

As for the rest, Bill's still a prince, he's just added a duchy to his other innumerable titles -- so now Katie's titled too. And I think you're slightly off track about the putative merger of UK and Norway -- there's a link between the royal families, but Betty and family don't own the UK, so there's no chance of incorporating Norway into the family firm (or vice versa).

bigblue2 29.04.2011 15:18

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
she can't be a princess until granny dies, so to give her a title they had to give him a new title of duke, simples

ETA No fair, 22 yards edited his post

PaddyG 29.04.2011 15:23

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
I think I'm right in stating that a Prince only obtains the Duke title once married. The only exception I can think of is Prince Charles was always the Duke of Cornwall, possibly as it goes hand-in-hand with the Prince of Wales title.

biff 29.04.2011 15:23

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 1181505)
she can't be a princess until granny dies, so to give her a title they had to give him a new title of duke, simples

ETA No fair, 22 yards edited his post

Why does she have to wait till granny dies? Diana had the title of princess given to her. Or was that only possible because Charles was already a duke?

bigblue2 29.04.2011 15:26

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by biff (Post 1181509)
Why does she have to wait till granny dies? Diana had the title of princess given to her. Or was that only possible because Charles was already a duke?


charles in next in line, wills isn't

Guest 29.04.2011 15:27

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 1181505)
ETA No fair, 22 yards edited his post

Sorry 'bout that ... posts crossing in the ether.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigblue2 (Post 1181511)
charles in next in line, wills isn't

No fair, bigblue2 beat me to it.

miniMia 29.04.2011 15:27

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by biff (Post 1181509)
Why does she have to wait till granny dies? Diana had the title of princess given to her. Or was that only possible because Charles was already a duke?

I do know that the heir apparent to the thrown become the Prince(ss) of Wales and so Kate wont' be a princess until William becomes Prince of Wales.


So, back to my question: Is a duke a higher rank than a prince?

PaddyG 29.04.2011 15:28

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by miniMia (Post 1181515)

So, back to my question: Is a duke a higher rank than a prince?

In a word (which would otherwise be too short anyway), no.

Guest 29.04.2011 15:29

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
I said no!!!

And now PaddyG beat me to it.

miniMia 29.04.2011 15:31

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

And I think you're slightly off track about the putative merger of UK and Norway -- there's a link between the royal families, but Betty and family don't own the UK, so there's no chance of incorporating Norway into the family firm (or vice versa).
What do you mean? King Harald V of Norway is 68*th in line to the British throne. So as I said, if the 68 people above him die....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of...British_throne




(*sorry, I originally wrote 60 which is not correct)

TiMow 29.04.2011 15:32

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
It depends on which pack of Top Trumps you have.

Seriously, though, as far as I know (without research), some titles are inherited and some are awarded, by The Queen.

I believe his full title should be:

- Prince William, Duke of Cambridge. He still remains Prince, but as is traditionally customary on marriage, or with status in general (but not automatic), The Queen awards a Dukedom (territory to govern within the country - symbolic now, but in the past was actual). This also affords the new bride a title (Duchess of Cambridge), as again (I believe) she doesn't automatically become a Princess, but this title has to be bestowed upon her by The Queen.

Guest 29.04.2011 15:32

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
To clarify (or more likely obfuscate), Wills is a prince by birth, but does not hold the title of Prince (with a capital P) -- as far as I know. The only principality in the UK is Wales, hence there can be only one capital P Prince, and that is always the heir apparent to the throne -- currently Chucky.

miniMia 29.04.2011 15:33

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1181516)
In a word (which would otherwise be too short anyway), no.

Oh, Ok, I though 22 meant literally my first question (Can you explain...?)

I told you I wasn't very bright! :P

(sorry. can't reply fast enough, crappy internet connection today down here. apprantly everyone's online today....)

Guest 29.04.2011 15:34

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by miniMia (Post 1181519)
What do you mean? King Harald V of Norway is 68*th in line to the British throne. So as I said, if the 68 people above him die....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of...British_throne




(*sorry, I originally wrote 60 which is not correct)

I mean that if 67 people were to die, then Britain would have a Norwegian monarch. But the UK would not become part of Norway.

Britain had a German monarch not so very long ago ...

miniMia 29.04.2011 15:36

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

To clarify (or more likely obfuscate), Wills is a prince by birth, but does not hold the title of Prince (with a capital P) -- as far as I know. The only principality in the UK is Wales, hence there can be only one capital P Prince, and that is always the heir apparent to the throne -- currently Chucky.
Ahhhh... Well that clears it up! Thanks.

Guest 29.04.2011 15:37

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
If the line of succession had not been tampered with - the heir to the throne would be a sheep farmer from OZ ( from the BBC documentary seen a few years ago) and the brother of an ex colleague- both Hastings of Ashby de la Zouch (Leics).

From Wiki:
Michael Abney-Hastings, 14th Earl of Loudoun

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Born 22 July 1942 (1942-07-22) (age 68)
Sussex, England[1] Throne(s) claimed England Pretend from 1 November 2002 Monarchy abolished Complex situation regarding Edward IV's alleged biological illegitimacy. Last monarch see above Connection with The Duke of Clarence Royal House House of York (non-agnatic line) Father Captain Walter Strickland Lord Mother The Countess of Loudoun Michael Edward Abney-Hastings, 14th Earl of Loudoun (born 22 July 1942) is a British Australian, who is most noted due to the documentary Britain's Real Monarch, which alleges him to be the rightful monarch of England instead of Queen Elizabeth II. He was born in England and educated at Ampleforth College in Yorkshire, but emigrated to Jerilderie, New South Wales as a teen, where he lives out life as a rice farmer and family man.[2]
The claim for Abney-Hastings as a pretender to the English throne relates to his descent from George Plantagenet as his heir-general, tied in with the alleged biological illegitimacy of Edward IV of England.
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Abney-Hastings was born in Sussex, England, to Captain Walter Strickland Lord and Barbara Abney-Hastings, 13th Countess of Loudoun. However, he grew up at Ashby-de-la-Zouch in Leicestershire where his mother is from, a town where one of his family's castles is located; Ashby de la Zouch Castle.[1] As a youth he was educated at Ampleforth College a private Catholic school in North Yorkshire, before moving to Australia when he was 18 years old.[3]
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See also: Alternative successions of the English crown
In 2004, Britain's Real Monarch, a documentary broadcast on Channel 4 in the United Kingdom repeated the claim, disputed among historians, that King Edward IV of England was biologically illegitimate, and therefore that Abney-Hastings, as the senior descendant of George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence, is the rightful King of England. Were Edward IV illegitimate, his daughter, Elizabeth of York, from whom the current British royal family is descended, would be excluded from the rightful succession and Michael Abney-Hastings would be the monarch based on an unbroken line of Male Preference Primogeniture leading from William the Conqueror who became king of England by right of conquest in 1066.

Unquote. He is of course a staunch Republican, lol,

terryhall 29.04.2011 15:38

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Britain had a German monarch not so very long ago ...
and French ones for centuries before that.

PaddyG 29.04.2011 15:38

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TiMow (Post 1181520)
It depends on which pack of Top Trumps you have.

Seriously, though, as far as I know (without research), some titles are inherited and some are awarded, by The Queen.

I believe his full title should be:

- Prince William, Duke of Cambridge. He still remains Prince, but as is traditionally customary on marriage, or with status in general (but not automatic), The Queen awards a Dukedom (territory to govern within the country - symbolic now, but in the past was actual). This also affords the new bride a title (Duchess of Cambridge), as again (I believe) she doesn't automatically become a Princess, but this title has to be bestowed upon her by The Queen.

Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus

miniMia 29.04.2011 15:39

Re: Duke beats Prince?
 
Quote:

I mean that if 67 people were to die, then Britain would have a Norwegian monarch. But the UK would not become part of Norway.

Britain had a German monarch not so very long ago ...
Ahhhh... OK! :) I did warn it was all very confusing so you need to speak slowly...

But then would it become the Kingdom of UK (etc, etc what ever it is now) & Norway? Would they not merge?


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