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Is it true that when adults, babies exposed to tobacco smoke are able to post only one word answers in forums and are unable to make their points clear??
No idea, I was never exposed to cigarette smoke as a baby.

However, of my siblings, the one who has always been the best physical condition was born when my mother WAS a smoker!

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Both comments of course statistically irrelevant. A sample size of 1 is meaningless. Same thing for the 94 year old mother earlier, 1/3 of smokers won't be killed by their addiction.

Nil - yes, smoking while pregnant statistically causes a number of adverse health effects. However afaik long term lung damage isn't one of them. If your parents smoked around you after you were born that might be a cause.
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I am one of those babies who got heavily exposed to cigarettes from both parents while my mother was pregnant.

I am having very weak lungs, asthma and every single time I am having a cold it stays for weeks, sometimes months. And a flu means bronchitis for me at every single time. I some years got up to five bronchitis in one year.

So I find myself entitle to be judgemental.... Sorry.
Possibly but I suggest you look elsewhere for the answer to this, and it's on the rise..the answers are obvious. Less people are smoking today than ever which is good and that means you should have less problems, but I suggest you go kicking the doors of every 4x4 you see with a diesel engine greater than 3L

Childhood asthma is on the rise not fall, so if less people are smoking what's happening?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC526385/

It has been suggested that pollutant exposure may induce asthma, aggravate asthma or increase the permeability of the airways to other allergens to which asthmatics are susceptible [17]. Any of these effects could potentially cause a significant increase in asthma morbidity if the level of traffic continues to rise. A number of studies have considered the association between asthma and road-traffic pollution specifically. Ciccone et al. [24] showed the odds ratios for asthma and a number of asthmatic symptoms to be increased in those exposed to heavy lorry traffic. Heavy traffic flow has also been shown to increase childhood asthma admissions [25]. Studies carried out within the UK and the United States have suggested those living within close proximity to a road are also at an increased risk of hospitalisation with asthma It has been suggested that pollutant exposure may induce asthma, aggravate asthma or increase the permeability of the airways to other allergens to which asthmatics are susceptible [17]. Any of these effects could potentially cause a significant increase in asthma morbidity if the level of traffic continues to rise. A number of studies have considered the association between asthma and road-traffic pollution specifically. Ciccone et al. [24] showed the odds ratios for asthma and a number of asthmatic symptoms to be increased in those exposed to heavy lorry traffic. Heavy traffic flow has also been shown to increase childhood asthma admissions [25]. Studies carried out within the UK and the United States have suggested those living within close proximity to a road are also at an increased risk of hospitalisation with asthma
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Back on topic.

This is pretty obvious too.

Long-Term Effects of Breastfeeding, Maternal Smoking During Pregnancy, and Recurrent Lower Respiratory Tract Infections on Asthma in Children

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2700345/
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Possibly but I suggest you look elsewhere for the answer to this, and it's on the rise..the answers are obvious. Less people are smoking today than ever which is good and that means you should have less problems, but I suggest you go kicking the doors of every 4x4 you see with a diesel engine greater than 3L

Childhood asthma is on the rise not fall, so if less people are smoking what's happening?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC526385/

It has been suggested that pollutant exposure may induce asthma, aggravate asthma or increase the permeability of the airways to other allergens to which asthmatics are susceptible [17]. Any of these effects could potentially cause a significant increase in asthma morbidity if the level of traffic continues to rise. A number of studies have considered the association between asthma and road-traffic pollution specifically. Ciccone et al. [24] showed the odds ratios for asthma and a number of asthmatic symptoms to be increased in those exposed to heavy lorry traffic. Heavy traffic flow has also been shown to increase childhood asthma admissions [25]. Studies carried out within the UK and the United States have suggested those living within close proximity to a road are also at an increased risk of hospitalisation with asthma It has been suggested that pollutant exposure may induce asthma, aggravate asthma or increase the permeability of the airways to other allergens to which asthmatics are susceptible [17]. Any of these effects could potentially cause a significant increase in asthma morbidity if the level of traffic continues to rise. A number of studies have considered the association between asthma and road-traffic pollution specifically. Ciccone et al. [24] showed the odds ratios for asthma and a number of asthmatic symptoms to be increased in those exposed to heavy lorry traffic. Heavy traffic flow has also been shown to increase childhood asthma admissions [25]. Studies carried out within the UK and the United States have suggested those living within close proximity to a road are also at an increased risk of hospitalisation with asthma

There`s no "Thanks" button on your post, so consider this a Thank you for your interesting post.

In the Durban area of Natal in SA is a suburb, bordered by an industrial area, a 6 lane freeway, and airport (since moved). That area had/has the highest incidence of Asthma and lung related diseases in the whole of Natal.

Out in the rural countrysides are children living in one room huts, with indoor wood fires and families who smoke indoors. The children from those areas do not have any of the "smoking related" diseases,even though their diets are restricted.

Interesting..... neh?
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Both comments of course statistically irrelevant. A sample size of 1 is meaningless. Same thing for the 94 year old mother earlier, 1/3 of smokers won't be killed by their addiction.

Nil - yes, smoking while pregnant statistically causes a number of adverse health effects. However afaik long term lung damage isn't one of them. If your parents smoked around you after you were born that might be a cause.
My father gave up smoking aged 55- and lived, fit as a fiddle to age 96, still driving and skiing until a few months before. My mum couldn't/wouldn't stop. She did make it to 94, blind and wheel-chair bound, her circulation, lungs and eyes 'shot' by her smoking addiction. Her misery lasted for 12 years. Sorry, not relevant to the topic- but I'd hate anybody to say, well, she lived to 94 so that's OK- it wasn't.
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Old 09.05.2011, 22:55
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There`s no "Thanks" button on your post, so consider this a Thank you for your interesting post.

In the Durban area of Natal in SA is a suburb, bordered by an industrial area, a 6 lane freeway, and airport (since moved). That area had/has the highest incidence of Asthma and lung related diseases in the whole of Natal.

Out in the rural countrysides are children living in one room huts, with indoor wood fires and families who smoke indoors. The children from those areas do not have any of the "smoking related" diseases,even though their diets are restricted.

Interesting..... neh?
Ja, that's very interesting.

I could be wrong but IMHO if we all viewed babies and children in the same way, then we would all have the same outlook on what is good or bad for them.
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Old 10.05.2011, 12:07
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I've been watching this programme called "Misbehaving Mums to Be" and was absolutely appalled by the selfishness and sometimes stupidity of these women. Ok, so most of them got pregnant by accident, but one of them actually thought that smoking was good for her baby!

My parents, both heavy smokers, stopped when they got serious about having me and I am very thankful to them. It's hard to quit but I really think that as soon as you are not only responsible for your own life, then you should try and live it as healthily as possible.
tee hee, me too. Love such car-crash telly. I am a smoker trying to quit, I still cringe whenever I see those girls smoking with big pregnant bellies. I saw one girl doing that at Stadelhofen last week - oblivious to stares.

My dad is a heavy smoker and my mum was exposed to that when she was pregnant with me and my sister. We turned out fine but I think its super inconsiderate to be smoking around pregnant women, let alone pregnant women smoking.

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One of my acquaintances though was a very heavy smoker and didn't quit, her doctor told her that the withdrawal would harm the baby more than the nicotine.
I am speechless.
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Re: Smoking when pregnant

I watched with horror as my sister-in-law smoked her way through 2 pregnancies.

Don't know if this is as a result of the smoking but now, 28 years later, the first son is/was a hyperactive ADHS child who spent 6 years in a home and the second was (still is) a rather weak, incompetent type of person who was always considered to be never "on a par" or at the same level of development as his peers. Pity.
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I am speechless.
Mee too. I think things get misinterpreted and twisted in people's minds, shrugging off one or two ciggies, but ignoring the fact it is the epitomy of inconsideration. Society caters to all clients feeling comfortable. Patients and preggo women are told that, yes, if you quit, you'd be so stressed the a bit higher levels of cortisols might harm the baby. Without realizing, we have become a society of comfort, worshiping our personal comfort without thinking how selfish we are. So, women continue smoking, depriving their baby what it should have and conditioning it for the future. Who cares that it is a tad stressful to quit. People have to put up with hardships, not harm their baby because they want to avoid a little bit of cortisols (which does not happen to everyone, anyways, only with those who don't know how to deal with stress). Instead, they opt for risky situation that more likely than not will not be nice for the baby and puts it in possible SIDS scenario. It's obviously a pet peeve of mine

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I watched with horror as my sister-in-law smoked her way through 2 pregnancies.

Don't know if this is as a result of the smoking but now, 28 years later, the first son is/was a hyperactive ADHS child who spent 6 years in a home and the second was (still is) a rather weak, incompetent type of person who was always considered to be never "on a par" or at the same level of development as his peers. Pity.
I agree. But also think the way they turned out might have something to do having a mom who so obviously declared her priorities. Smoking parents do not realize the signaling they do for the little ones to pick up on. "Mummy needs her cig now, darling, and wreck the air around here, have her breath stink and her clothes, have tar on her skin, face and hands she touches you with, she will be right with you".
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Re: Smoking when pregnant

Just saw some guy in the street pushing a push chair with presumably his infant in it. He stopped in the busy street and lit up a joint. That made me feel quite sad for the kid (in the pushchair).

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Just saw some guy in the street pushing a push chair with presumable his infant in ti. He stopped in the busy street and lit up a joint. That made me feel quite sad for the kid (in the pushchair).
Why?

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Because the kid has someone stone to take care of him instead to be fully available?
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Because the kid has someone stone to take care of him instead to be fully available?
Get ready thread- here comes the alcohol vs. marijuana debate .
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Get ready thread- here comes the alcohol vs. marijuana debate .
Huh? Where is the alcohol bit?

On Ice I guess?
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Re: Smoking when pregnant

An ex-colleague of mine in the Netherlands smoked all through her pregnancy. Her doctor told her it would be too stressful for her to stop, so she continued. Her baby is now over a year old and has had a tracheostomy since she was a month old and has had no end of operations.
It could be just a coincidence...
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An ex-colleague of mine in the Netherlands smoked all through her pregnancy. Her doctor told her it would be too stressful for her to stop, so she continued. Her baby is now over a year old and has had a tracheostomy since she was a month old and has had no end of operations.
It could be just a coincidence...
And how are her stress levels now..?
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Well she's still smoking so maybe they're not so high
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Just saw some guy in the street pushing a push chair with presumably his infant in it. He stopped in the busy street and lit up a joint. That made me feel quite sad for the kid (in the pushchair).
How did you know it was a "joint"?
Maybe it was just a hand-rolled smoke?
And he was smoking it out in the open,not in the house, maybe his reason for taking baby out for a walk in push-chair?
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