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Re: Disgusted by a political poster?

The blue of the blue sky is the wrong color...
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Maybe it is Basle blue and not Barcelona blue?
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So it is even worse, it means the sky is not at the proper place! 2x
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Old 12.05.2011, 22:11
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.... and who says the Sky has got to be blue huh ?
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Old 13.05.2011, 01:18
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Re: Disgusted by a political poster?

Isn't it funny how often threads that are either locked or involve some adamant argument / debate elsewhere wind up being the revived somehow here in Off Topic?

Also funny is how often this involves continuing personal attacks that were brought up in those threads, typically with plenty of scoffing sarcasm intended to make the rest of the world at large (as the target is often unnamed so it is reliant on the observant to realize who and what is actually the current topic) seem somehow "less"... less intelligent, less worthy, less cognizant, something...


Ahh, would that we could all be so fabulously world wise to NOT see a caricature of forcible sex being used as a political statement and find ourselves disgusted on some level.
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Old 13.05.2011, 01:39
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Look at my Swiss ID card and weep, sucker.

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Re: Disgusted by a political poster?

Why's it pronounced kwicksotick and not kayoatic?
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My sole point (made here long before the latest silly poster thread was locked) is that one can be as disgusted as one likes with the kinds of political posters one sees in Switzerland, but if one hasn't got a Swiss passport, one might as well tilt at windmills.

All clear now?
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Re: Disgusted by a political poster?

This thread requires another thread with a windmill in it, thread header, "Annoyed by another thread?"
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My sole point (made here long before the latest silly poster thread was locked) is that one can be as disgusted as one likes with the kinds of political posters one sees in Switzerland, but if one hasn't got a Swiss passport, one might as well tilt at windmills.

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Or pay me to vote for you.
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My sole point (made here long before the latest silly poster thread was locked) is that one can be as disgusted as one likes with the kinds of political posters one sees in Switzerland, but if one hasn't got a Swiss passport, one might as well tilt at windmills.

All clear now?
IMO, voting in any case is illogical and irrelevant. A Swiss passport doesn't make a difference.
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IMO, voting in any case is illogical and irrelevant.
As is your opinion.

The Swiss vote is a direct vote and 95% of the time will be carried through despite the Bundesrat's opposite opinion. It's an amazing piece of democracy.

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Old 13.05.2011, 10:14
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In the EU, yes this is true.

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The Swiss vote is a direct vote and 95% of the time will be carried through despite the Bundesrat's opposite opinion. It's an amazing piece of democracy.
Be that as it may, mathematically he's got a point. Unless the election is actually close enough to be decided by a single vote, 643,582 to 643,581 - which practically never happens - your individual vote makes no difference to the outcome. The side that wins would still have won if you'd stayed home.

By voting, then, you are either
1) betting your time and inconvenience on the extremely small chance that the election really is exactly 50-50, and the nation will need you to cast the deciding vote - something which will almost certainly never happen to any of us, even in a whole lifetime of assiduous voting; or
2) voting for other, not statistically rational reasons. You believe it's your civic duty, you want to express your opinion, etc.

This is no reflection on Switzerland, it's just the nature of majority-rules voting in large groups. (The fact so many of us continue to vote anyway is a testament to the importance of these other, non-rational factors.)
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Be that as it may, mathematically he's got a point. Unless the election is actually close enough to be decided by a single vote, 643,582 to 643,581 - which practically never happens - your individual vote makes no difference to the outcome. The side that wins would still have won if you'd stayed home.

By voting, then, you are either
1) betting your time and inconvenience on the extremely small chance that the election really is exactly 50-50, and the nation will need you to cast the deciding vote - something which will almost certainly never happen to any of us, even in a whole lifetime of assiduous voting; or
2) voting for other, not statistically rational reasons. You believe it's your civic duty, you want to express your opinion, etc.

This is no reflection on Switzerland, it's just the nature of majority-rules voting in large groups. (The fact so many of us continue to vote anyway is a testament to the importance of these other, non-rational factors.)
Mathematically eh This is economics!

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Re: Disgusted by a political poster?

In the UK my vote was thrown directly in the bin every time, thanks to the first past the post system (fPP) - as my political 'views' didn't match the area (constituency) I lived in. I still voted as a matter of principle - but it did seem somewhat pointless at times. I never voted in CH as long as I lived in UK, despite having the right to. I felt it was wrong to vote in CH, when I was too far of the realities of life there that a/ I didn't understand the issues fully due to distance, etc b/ I didn't have to deal with the consequences of my vote. Now that we live here, I do vote. Unfortunately (imho) all votes so far have gone 't'other way' so far. But I will continue to vote- and do my utmost to limit the rise of the UDC, which I find truly disturbing.
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Old 13.05.2011, 11:30
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Be that as it may, mathematically he's got a point. Unless the election is actually close enough to be decided by a single vote, 643,582 to 643,581 - which practically never happens - your individual vote makes no difference to the outcome. The side that wins would still have won if you'd stayed home.

By voting, then, you are either
1) betting your time and inconvenience on the extremely small chance that the election really is exactly 50-50, and the nation will need you to cast the deciding vote - something which will almost certainly never happen to any of us, even in a whole lifetime of assiduous voting; or
2) voting for other, not statistically rational reasons. You believe it's your civic duty, you want to express your opinion, etc.

This is no reflection on Switzerland, it's just the nature of majority-rules voting in large groups. (The fact so many of us continue to vote anyway is a testament to the importance of these other, non-rational factors.)
Luckily, logistics, voting groups, etc also come into play. If more SVP supporters vote than CVP or SP, they logically win the vote. And that's why my vote counts.
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Old 13.05.2011, 11:33
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I quite like being disenfranchised. It means I can observe Swiss political shenanigans with amused detachment, happy in the knowledge that I couldn't do anything about any of it even if I wanted to.
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Old 13.05.2011, 13:04
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By voting, then, you are either
1) betting your time and inconvenience on the extremely small chance that the election really is exactly 50-50, and the nation will need you to cast the deciding vote - something which will almost certainly never happen to any of us, even in a whole lifetime of assiduous voting; or
2) voting for other, not statistically rational reasons. You believe it's your civic duty, you want to express your opinion, etc.
In elections (as opposed to referenda) there is also a number 3:

3) voting for fringe maverick characters, the likes of the Super Monster Raving Loony Party back in the UK. If the guy would have got 2 votes without you, you helped him to 3 votes. That's 50% more. Nobody cares whether the big guy got 648572 or 648573, but 3 votes instead of 2 is a world of difference and you personally can make an ever so small dent in the universe.

Now to apply for a Swiss passport and set up a mad maverick party. The fun we could have winding up the EF punters.
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Old 13.05.2011, 13:12
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Luckily, logistics, voting groups, etc also come into play. If more SVP supporters vote than CVP or SP, they logically win the vote. And that's why my vote counts.
I would say that in CH, luckily, there isn't really much of a "block vote". People don't automatically vote a certain way because they fit a certain profile. So these "voting groups" don't really count for much, and the parties (mostly) campaign for individual votes rather than going after groups (mostly).
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