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Old 13.05.2011, 16:43
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Re: Disgusted by a political poster?

Excellent reply MusicChick, thank you.

As said above, I found the First Past the Post so frustrating in the UK- as many communities represented a political party 'en bloc' - eg a Council Estate voting Labour, and my rural constituency voting Conservative, come what may. It is very different in CH, especially in a Referendum, where one's vote definitely counts.

As Amogles said, communities in CH are not so entrenched, and do not vote so much 'en bloc' per location, and the voting system does not allow a huge proportion of votes to be just discarded, as in the FPP UK system.
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Old 13.05.2011, 16:44
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Excellent reply Musikchick, thank you.

As said above, I found the First Past the Post so frustrating in the UK- as many communities represented a political party 'en bloc' - eg a Council Estate voting Labour, and my rural constituency voting Conservative, come what may. It is very different in CH, especially in a Referendum, where one's vote definitely counts.
... and a referendum is not won by "first past the post?"
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Old 13.05.2011, 16:51
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As Amogles said, communities in CH are not so entrenched, and do not vote so much 'en bloc' per location, and the voting system does not allow a huge proportion of votes to be just discarded, as in the FPP UK system.
Remember the Alpeninitiative? That was opposed by all the major parties but still won the popular vote. Surprises do happen.
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Old 13.05.2011, 17:04
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I did say that it can make a difference to talk to people and convince them, or to act as an example. It has also been said by others that there may be a pyschological or feel-good value in actually casting a vote. All that is true, and can be a valid reason to vote. But it still doesn't change the fact that mathematically speaking, your one vote is of zero value.
I can live with the fact my actual vote as almost zero value in that specific situation, no prob. And still feel like my energy hasn't been lost, since I have made an informed choice. Just like people can participate in other make/believe activities, that in long run actually have a positive effect on their lives or the life of a community. Active participation, informed choices, the sense of responsibility, etc. never gets lost on anything or anyone. If there is a platform, a place where somebody inquired after my opinion on said campaign, I do not have to voice my opinion, can think it does not matter either, but I decided I wanted to. Since that campaign sucks, in my books. Just like we decide to participate in other threads/forums/situations/scenarios/elections, etc.
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Re: Disgusted by a political poster?

1. I think the only time that one person's vote doesn't make a difference is if they never told anyone that they voted.

2. I think it counts even more if you tell your friends and family which way you voted.


My reasoning for these two things is the "simple" psychology that people will "often" mimic their peers, even subconsciously. Saying I vote helps to encourage those who are close to me to find value in voting as well. These votes (whichever way they vote) add up.

Telling which way I vote won't necessarily cause them to think like me and vote like me, but rather will cause something of a rallying point, whether to vote to help see my view through OR to do their part for the view against.

In these ways my individual vote counts. Perhaps taken as a single vote out of many, it doesn't count for much, but to imply that it doesn't count at all is inaccurate.
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An issue that changed the face of Switzerland during my time here:

- The Waffenplatz Referendum (where the Swiss voted against having a Waffenplatz and basically voted against the military.) Although this initiative was disguised as a protection program for moors, it was a slap in the face for the Bundesrat and for many ultra-conservative Swiss. It was this referendum that caused the military's function to change in Switzerland.
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