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Old 01.07.2011, 12:57
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However I think people turn their attention to the US because of the sheer volume of obesity statistics over there.
I totally agree. But since we are smart people, we know all this. When we look for solutions, we do not have to mock and use lingo of "whales" and "glutonous pigs" with link to certain cultures. I don't think I liked the "whales" being directed at local babichkas, either. Solutions are needed, look into lifestyles are needed, sure, but I think a bit of diplomacy won't kill us.

Smelly bean sprouting hippies due to methane was a self deprecating notion, it still makes me chuckle, sorry it was not so obvious, but I did take the time to explain. Ah, I miss the vegan fun sometimes. Although, no, I do not think it would be a solution to obesity, nor well affordable here.

And, yes, offensive posts will get deleted. We all vary in what we consider offensive, sure thing. People I know do not delete posts that disagree with their member point of view.

Ok, back from officialities, to the world wide phenomenon called obesity.
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[/B]Yes, your word is final and you can delete posts which don't tie in with your side of the debate - so removing greenies which were given because someone actually agreed or found my post funny.
Blimey, that's a bit off. Didn't know that was possible!
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(...) so removing greenies which were given because someone actually agreed or found my post funny.
huh ?
mods don't remove greenies, come on..


Let bygones be bygones, the people that were slightly taken aback (me too) by the fatty comments let them graciously slide (or have not mentioned it in a few pages).

Why not concentrate on the fact that:
- you've raised a very good point about the impact of very unhealthy foods in the western world diets. 17 pages of debate.. not bad !
- there are solutions and studies to allievate the situation

.... and start a catering service with your obvious culinary talents !
(betting on the fact that you can cook as well as you can write about the delicacies).... or become a food critic and work for Michelin.
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Ok, where were we.

Mods are members, some of then also enjoy a good debate, etc etc. and manage to my knowledge very professionally those two hats separate, in a pretty fine way.
I'm not at all convinced by that in some cases.

Yes, your word is final and you can delete posts which don't tie in with your side of the debate - so removing greenies which were given because someone actually agreed or found my post funny.

Not everyone agrees with you and I got quite a few points for my posts.
And these 'nasty, negative, insulting, judging' accusations flying around have gotten out of hand, too.

And I don't think calling vegans/hippies 'smelly' very nice either.
Sadly, I can't remove that post.
1) Given the choice, mods don't normally moderate the threads they are involved in. (It's unavoidable sometimes, e.g. late at night.) MusicChick has not done so here.

2) If a post is deleted, green blobbies remain. You can't see them any more as there is no post to hang them on, but mods can and they are still counted on your record.

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Old 01.07.2011, 13:12
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It surely is. If a poster makes a poor taste jab at fat people again (actually in a different topic thread all together), the post gets deleted. Which automatically deletes any good rep/bad rep that post has received. Nothing we can do about the technicalities of it. ETA - Well, I thought it's that way, thanks MN, didn't realize they stay, nor knew about any reps that were dished out for that post, either.

But let's not derail, there is a subforum for these kinds of questions, where questions get openly and properly answered and showed.

Where were well...vegans? No, uhm, sedentery life?

How do you beat that in here? I walk a few kms a day, decided to purposely not drive to work, although I am honestly the only one at work. Makes me feel a tad weird.

What do people do for lunches to not give in the vending machines or fast foods if they don't have a lot of cash here, canteen food is fattening, etc? Just to brain storm...I have my own ways, hahaha.
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Old 01.07.2011, 13:18
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Maybe you can't remove the greenies, but you could certainly remove all the posts that are off topic...
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Old 01.07.2011, 13:23
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MusicChick... just want to say that I really appreciate your posts here and the fact that you are able to take the middle-ground and (what I feel is) a more objective viewpoint. I really do find it quite refreshing!

So.... I think we are all "victims" of whatever culture we are born into and/or raised in. And we are also "victims" of our DNA. And so both our environment and our biology play huge roles in determining our weight. Yes, there is an obesity problem in America (and in many other countries), but I think much of this has to do with the fact that much of the world is evolving to a more sedentary state (how many hours per week do we spend sitting in front of our computers now, etc?). I also think that, in the US, there is less cultural pressure to be thin (especially compared to here in Switzerland), and for the most part, it's quite natural to act in accordance with one's environment (regardless of the right or wrong of it).

Anyways... every time I come back to this thread, I find myself wondering 1) What the OP was really hoping to achieve when she started this thread. Was she really expecting and hoping for everyone to join in on her "whale-bashing?" and 2) I'm curious how the OP would feel if she had an obese grandmother whom someone referred to as a "whale."

The way I see it... to make fun of someone for being overweight is basically the equivalent of making fun of someone for being "culturally different" or handicapped. Because again, we are all "victims" of our cultures and biology. There is a quote I heard on a TED Talk recently that I love (albeit a bit morbid, perhaps):

"We are machines made of meat."

And for me personally, I guess I just don't get off on putting other people down for the way they have been "built" or for whatever DNA they have inherited, culture they have been born into, etc.
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It surely is. If a poster makes a poor taste jab at fat people again (actually in a different topic thread all together), the post gets deleted. Which automatically deletes any good rep/bad rep that post has received. Nothing we can do about the technicalities of it. ETA - Well, I thought it's that way, thanks MN, didn't realize they stay, nor knew about any reps that were dished out for that post, either.

But let's not derail, there is a subforum for these kinds of questions, where questions get openly and properly answered and showed.

Where were well...vegans? No, uhm, sedentery life?

How do you beat that in here? I walk a few kms a day, decided to purposely not drive to work, although I am honestly the only one at work. Makes me feel a tad weird.

What do people do for lunches to not give in the vending machines or fast foods if they don't have a lot of cash here, canteen food is fattening, etc? Just to brain storm...I have my own ways, hahaha.
Sorry - the points are still there - just did a recount. So apologies. I thought they had automatically disappeared when the post (not really offensive - I'm not an offensive person) was deleted.
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Old 01.07.2011, 13:26
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That would be a matter of opinion then... I can see a few people on this very thread have been offended by what you wrote, and yet you clearly haven't grasped why this could be. Don't think I have seen an inkling of understanding on your part.

So, yes, I guess from that perspective you are not an offensive person.

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That would be a matter of opinion then... I can see a few people on this very thread have been offended by what you wrote, and yet you clearly haven't grasped why this could be. Don't think I have seen an inkling of understanding on your part.

So, yes, I guess from the perspective that you are an offensive person.

Carry on.

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Old 01.07.2011, 13:31
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However I think people turn their attention to the US because of the sheer volume of obesity statistics over there.
I actually think it is the health care situ that calls for all this attention. I personally think that if health care was run differently, privitized health care, insurance biz etc. there would be more push for prevention, healthy weight education, as opposed to giving in cash (convenience, cheap bad food biz, etc.). I think the real motivation for how things are in the US has nothing to do with personal priorities, but despite me really not liking conspiration theories, I think healthy lifestyle in the US does not make enough cash in order to stop lobbies and make gov interested in controlling and supporting edu/healthy food support/subsidies for local coops, farms/etc. But that's just my personal opinion. People still do have the power to choose, sure. But what is generally considered right and correct, is another question. Is it a knowledge marketed and given to people in digestable way? Info accessible? Or not a big deal, we all have some flaws kind of atmosphere which excuses things that later on snowball and we will be the one left to deal with our lack of common sense that culture didn't considered important, our parents had zero time and maybe their own issues, etc etc. Maybe that's why I object to short cuts, and simply saying, fat people are fat coz...

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Well, according to the list of the countries above, it looks like all our assumptions are way off. It surprised me, honestly.
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Meh. You say potato and I say pot... oh wait, that doesn't work when written...

If you are going to write offensive things and express them as your *ahem* considered opinion, then you are an offensive person. This is an internet Forum and what you say kinda defines who you are...
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Meh. You say potato and I say pot... oh wait, that doesn't work when written...

If you are going to write offensive things and express them as your *ahem* considered opinion, then you are an offensive person. This is an internet Forum and what you say kinda defines who you are...
I'm not sure if I follow...

(c'mon- we're 33% there!)
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Well, according to the list of the countries, it looks like all our assumptions are way off. It surprised me, honestly.
That's just a complete example of lies, damned lies and statistics.

Surely you can't take it seriously?

Take the populations of all the top 7 places and they probably barely add up to Zurich. Kuwait = 2.6 mill or which 1.3 mill are non-nationals. You need numbers here folks, not percentages. Numbers.

What a load of balls and complete red herring.
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(c'mon- we're 33% there!)
I see what you did there... a bit of post posting editing...
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MusicChick... just want to say that I really appreciate your posts here and the fact that you are able to take the middle-ground and (what I feel is) a more objective viewpoint. I really do find it quite refreshing!

So.... I think we are all "victims" of whatever culture we are born into and/or raised in. And we are also "victims" of our DNA. And so both our environment and our biology play huge roles in determining our weight. Yes, there is an obesity problem in America (and in many other countries), but I think much of this has to do with the fact that much of the world is evolving to a more sedentary state (how many hours per week do we spend sitting in front of our computers now, etc?). I also think that, in the US, there is less cultural pressure to be thin (especially compared to here in Switzerland), and for the most part, it's quite natural to act in accordance with one's environment (regardless of the right or wrong of it).

Anyways... every time I come back to this thread, I find myself wondering 1) What the OP was really hoping to achieve when she started this thread. Was she really expecting and hoping for everyone to join in on her "whale-bashing?" and 2) I'm curious how the OP would feel if she had an obese grandmother whom someone referred to as a "whale."

The way I see it... to make fun of someone for being overweight is basically the equivalent of making fun of someone for being "culturally different" or handicapped. Because again, we are all "victims" of our cultures and biology. There is a quote I heard on a TED Talk recently that I love (albeit a bit morbid, perhaps):

"We are machines made of meat."

And for me personally, I guess I just don't get off on putting other people down for the way they have been "built" or for whatever DNA they have inherited, culture they have been born into, etc.
Aha!!
Good questions!!

a) I originally didn't mean to be offensive but to provoke argument, as my thread was waning up to that point. Well, it certainly worked (although not so well for me ).
But for the last time - I didn't actually mention the word 'whale' and had no aim to insult anyone on here. As I said, these unpleasant women I see in the cafe, are killing themselves with their own stupidity and that disgusts me. Sorry, but I also call a spade a spade.

b) Interestingly enough, my auntie died early because of obesity issues. I saw her getting bigger and bigger, but she could not be encouraged to do anything about it.
My Mum was her carer and struggled with her. When she fell over, it took the two of us to lift her. No one called her a whale that I know of, but sorry, this is how she seemed to me, especially when she was stuck in the bath. I certainly couldn't compare her to a furry little mouse.
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Cmon, I saw it on TV, those lonely planet guides .. The funny thing is, those local people might have looked rather large, but they were lifting boats up with one arm. People in primitive cultures eat fatty food to have a storage for bad times, draughts, etc. while we can afford fridges and pantries.

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Here we go. Fish! Healthy, fast and fatty. Thanks Carlos. I go eat one right now.

Unrelated to this, I don't really link health to weight, by the way. Having my own health issues and being most of my life at BMI 15 and trying to get out of it, painfully..I admire people who have a health goal and go for it, sure, but I do think it gets too much, sometimes here. Striving for perfection. Maybe there is a financial incentive, too, that resonates in the culture. I think health is the best motivation, not being thin. Healthy and fit.
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Whaaa?! No editing. 50% there now.

I agree that list is bonkers- Niue?! Population 1398. That's smaller than the village I lived in in mountain Jura.

This one seems more on track. Yanks in a definite lead, but statistics are so fun to read. 32%? So almost half? or, a bit more than a quarter?

Thing is about the States, you can take the top 5 healthy eating lifestyles (fill in the blank, whatever clubs one wants to use) and I bet you will find as many adherents for each one as there are people in all of Switzerland.

Inhomogeneous culture, cheap food, massive capitalistic drive to market that food aggressively, car culture (no real public transport outside of major city hubs), and I think a bit of a "celebration" feeling that came about post WWII- we're number 1! yeah I deserve and have a right to this triple beef hamburger and 64 ounce milkshake! Work?! Talk to my union steward. There's a definite illness in the U.S. psyche that has grown over decades and hasn't done the country any favors.

And the sheer size, loudness, audacity, and despite everything- awesomeness, sets Yanks up pretty well as a world target and scapegoat for all sorts of things.

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