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personally, i don't think it's anyone's business what other people eat or how much they weigh. why is it that we have so few boundaries when discussing other people's plates or appearance?

food is one of life's great pleasures, i wish people could just enjoy it and not put so much valence on it.


there is a lot of variation in size and weight and activity and health. and it's not a straight line causal relationship between "health" and weight.


today i was reading arya sharma's blog... he is an MD, pretty reasonable obesity expert in canada...talking about how diet and exercise can't always resolve obesity...because if it could, it wouldn't be a problem. but we've said this before...
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Old 20.06.2011, 23:00
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personally, i don't think it's anyone's business what other people eat or how much they weigh. why is it that we have so few boundaries when discussing other people's plates or appearance?

food is one of life's great pleasures, i wish people could just enjoy it and not put so much valence on it.


there is a lot of variation in size and weight and activity and health. and it's not a straight line causal relationship between "health" and weight.


today i was reading arya sharma's blog... he is an MD, pretty reasonable obesity expert in canada...talking about how diet and exercise can't always resolve obesity...because if it could, it wouldn't be a problem. but we've said this before...

I agree about minding one own's business. But I do take issue in Canada, with tax payer covered public healthcare. Personally I don't want my tax dollars allowing someone with less-than-ideal metabolism to sit at home and stuff their face while earning social assistance because they are not able to work.
Extreme case, but the general betterment of humankind
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Old 20.06.2011, 23:11
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It got me thinking about obesity today - and I mean whale-sized obesity, just to differentiate from a few extra kilos here and there. Even more than a few.
Just to make things a little less harsh/judgemental, how about sticking to:

Underweight
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Old 20.06.2011, 23:15
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Good grief.

Sorry, I'm British. PC I ain't (at least not on here)
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I agree about minding one own's business. But I do take issue in Canada, with tax payer covered public healthcare. Personally I don't want my tax dollars allowing someone with less-than-ideal metabolism to sit at home and stuff their face while earning social assistance because they are not able to work.
Extreme case, but the general betterment of humankind

I'm mostly interested in the research behind obesity and links to health and the social implications of much of this, so I can't speak to what canadian tax dollars are paying for.

However, your statement above reminds me of what people used to say about welfare mothers.

Your characterization of people with less than ideal metabolism sitting around stuffing their faces is rather appalling imho, and that causal relationship doesn't always hold.
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Old 20.06.2011, 23:24
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Good grief.

Sorry, I'm British. PC I ain't (at least not on here)
So am I, but at least when talking about it you'll get a more reasoned reaction than if you call folk a whale, dolphin or manatee. That's not about being PC, as you would be technically correct. Being PC would be trying not to offend, e.g. Like telling someone with a BMI of 80+ that they are "big-boned". HTH
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personally, i don't think it's anyone's business what other people eat or how much they weigh. why is it that we have so few boundaries when discussing other people's plates or appearance?

food is one of life's great pleasures, i wish people could just enjoy it and not put so much valence on it.


there is a lot of variation in size and weight and activity and health. and it's not a straight line causal relationship between "health" and weight.


today i was reading arya sharma's blog... he is an MD, pretty reasonable obesity expert in canada...talking about how diet and exercise can't always resolve obesity...because if it could, it wouldn't be a problem. but we've said this before...
I disagree here.

Today we have more and more boundaries. Political correctness has gone crazy. We fear saying anything in case it offends someone, somewhere.
Here, there is a definite difference between the Brits and the Americans. Just look at our humour (Monty Python? Oh yes, that was back in the Dark Ages, of course..)

Food is a pleasure and I love it. I just don't love fatty crap and the way we lap it up because we are worth it, we need it, it's cheap, whatever. It is making us sick but just don't dare say that out loud!!

Yes, there would still be obesity even if diet and exercise could resolve some of it; but there would be a bl**dy lot less of it around.
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Have any of the American EF-ers been to this place?

http://www.heartattackgrill.com/
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I'm mostly interested in the research behind obesity and links to health and the social implications of much of this, so I can't speak to what canadian tax dollars are paying for.
Last time I was involved in this debate, about a year ago, the picture was not good. Unlike smoking morbid obesity is generally a long term condition where the person cannot contribute as well to society - note this is a generalisation! It is also associated wih several illnesses that last a long time and cost a lot of money, e.g. diabetes, CHD etc. Added to which these particular patients cannot look after themselves, requiring either a family member (who then also can't work) to care for them or a healthcare worker - a very expensive use of manpower. The coctail of drugs needed is another complication.

With the rise in obesity levels this is a very serious issue - irrespective of whether you have state healthcare or not (in the US these people would end up on Medicare/aid anyway due to generally lower social status).

It is an issue to which no viable solution has been found, yet the problem continues to grow - if you'll excuse the pun.
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Old 21.06.2011, 00:33
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I disagree here.

Today we have more and more boundaries. Political correctness has gone crazy. We fear saying anything in case it offends someone, somewhere.
Here, there is a definite difference between the Brits and the Americans. Just look at our humour (Monty Python? Oh yes, that was back in the Dark Ages, of course..)
There is a vast difference between actually being interested in someone's health because they are obese and calling them a whale and judging by what you see on their plate.

You do not know those women, you do not know how they got to the condition they are in. You do not know their daily lives now.

I go to the pool sometimes with my mother-in-law now, I see some of the same people every time I go. Not all of them are the picture of health... all of them ARE trying to make some effort to be healthier though.

For all you know, those women could all have gone on diets and be working on their over all health and the meal you witnessed is their one indulgence per week or month. You don't know and that is why you shouldn't judge.


You don't have to be PC, you should at least try not to make yourself look like a jerk though.
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Old 21.06.2011, 00:47
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make that a dark chocolate devil's food cake please, with creamy frosting and extra sprinkles and.. and.. a Root Beer
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make that a dark chocolate devil's food cake please, with creamy frosting and extra sprinkles and.. and.. a Root Beer
I'll take the home-made flour-free chocolate cake that the lovely lady at the guesthouse made at the weekend.

With lashings of cream and a splash of brandy.

Mmmmm....
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I'll take the home-made flour-free chocolate cake that the lovely lady at the guesthouse made at the weekend.

With lashings of cream and a splash of brandy.

Mmmmm....
agreed. hmm...i must make one of these soon...it's easy with a stand mixer or a strong whisking arm.
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Old 21.06.2011, 09:14
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There is a vast difference between actually being interested in someone's health because they are obese and calling them a whale and judging by what you see on their plate.

You do not know those women, you do not know how they got to the condition they are in. You do not know their daily lives now.

I go to the pool sometimes with my mother-in-law now, I see some of the same people every time I go. Not all of them are the picture of health... all of them ARE trying to make some effort to be healthier though.

For all you know, those women could all have gone on diets and be working on their over all health and the meal you witnessed is their one indulgence per week or month. You don't know and that is why you shouldn't judge.


You don't have to be PC, you should at least try not to make yourself look like a jerk though.
Isn't that judging me, though? And rather directly?

For all you know, I could have been having rather serious medical problems lately which make me speak my mind...
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Old 21.06.2011, 09:18
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Isn't that judging me, though? And rather directly?

For all you know, I could have been having rather serious medical problems lately which make me speak my mind...
Yeah, but you are not. She's judging you by your (self-reported) actions and what you are saying. Spot the difference?
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There is a vast difference between actually being interested in someone's health because they are obese and calling them a whale and judging by what you see on their plate.
I was once in Hawaii. A morbidly-obese man in front of me at the queue in a burger place ordered six large cheese burgers. "Big family", I thought.
I was so wrong. He sat at a table by himself and proceeded to eat the whole lot.
I looked around. Most of the other customers were eating in a similar manner. They were all morbidly-obese.

I was was in Bosnia another time. The chap in front of me asked for a cheese burger. He got a thin slice of cheese in a bread roll.

I asked for a burger and fries. The server looked at me in astonishment. You want a burger, and you want fries as well? he enquired. "Yes, I replied, sheepishly.
Most of his customers ordered one or the other but not both.

We have a small percentage of obese people with physical medical problems that get them on the big size.
However, I simply cannot believe that in a country like the U.S.A, all the others are totally screwed up with psychological problems that cause them to over-eat.

The chap in the burger bar in Hawaii (and all his compatriots there) - removing the few of them that were medically obese still leaves a hell of a lot who are, putting this as politely as possible, gluttonous pigs.
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Yeah, but you are not. She's judging you by your (self-reported) actions and what you are saying. Spot the difference?
I was being morbidly ironic.
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I was once in Hawaii. A morbidly-obese man in front of me at the queue in a burger place ordered six large cheese burgers. "Big family", I thought.
I was so wrong. He sat at a table by himself and proceeded to eat the whole lot.
I looked around. Most of the other customers were eating in a similar manner. They were all morbidly-obese.

I was was in Bosnia another time. The chap in front of me asked for a cheese burger. He got a thin slice of cheese in a bread roll.

I asked for a burger and fries. The server looked at me in astonishment. You want a burger, and you want fries as well? he enquired. "Yes, I replied, sheepishly.
Most of his customers ordered one or the other but not both.

We have a small percentage of obese people with physical medical problems that get them on the big size.
However, I simply cannot believe that in a country like the U.S.A, all the others are totally screwed up with psychological problems that cause them to over-eat.

The chap in the burger bar in Hawaii (and all his compatriots there) - removing the few of them that were medically obese still leaves a hell of a lot who are, putting this as politely as possible, gluttonous pigs.
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I have nothing but sympathy for those people who are forced into undergoing such a dramatic procedure as having their stomach surgically made into a tiny pouch and a bypass through their intestines in an attempt to lose weight and regain their quality of life.

That is no quick and easy fix and they must have exhausted all other options.

I also have admiration for such people who make it to the pool or pull on a pair of running shoes. It's tough when you feel everyone is looking at you and thinking "that thought".

I don't think anyone is happy with carrying dangerous amounts of excess weight so there must be something that is keeping it there, whether it is physiological or psychological, in effect these people are being judged on that.

Living here, I see far fewer overweight people than in the UK but I think that is down to there being less opportunity to over-indulge. As others have said; eating out is expensive and you can't really buy the super-size packs of products.
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