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I disagree here.

Today we have more and more boundaries. Political correctness has gone crazy. We fear saying anything in case it offends someone, somewhere.
Here, there is a definite difference between the Brits and the Americans. Just look at our humour (Monty Python? Oh yes, that was back in the Dark Ages, of course..)

Food is a pleasure and I love it. I just don't love fatty crap and the way we lap it up because we are worth it, we need it, it's cheap, whatever. It is making us sick but just don't dare say that out loud!!

Yes, there would still be obesity even if diet and exercise could resolve some of it; but there would be a bl**dy lot less of it around.
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You don't have to be PC, you should at least try not to make yourself look like a jerk though.
Calling an obese a whale or
calling a black a N****
calling a muslim a terrorist or
calling an Arab a moor...

I find it pretty offensive all ways. You judge and insult people based on their physical apparence.
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The chap in the burger bar in Hawaii (and all his compatriots there) - removing the few of them that were medically obese still leaves a hell of a lot who are, putting this as politely as possible, gluttonous pigs.
Umm, how can you think that a person who eats six cheese burgers does NOT have a serious psychological problem? What makes him think that it's going to take six cheese burgers to still his hunger when two will probably fill even the most distended stomach quite comfortably? Who taught him to eat this way?
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I have nothing but sympathy for those people who are forced into undergoing such a dramatic procedure as having their stomach surgically made into a tiny pouch and a bypass through their intestines in an attempt to lose weight and regain their quality of life.

That is no quick and easy fix and they must have exhausted all other options.

I also have admiration for such people who make it to the pool or pull on a pair of running shoes. It's tough when you feel everyone is looking at you and thinking "that thought".

I don't think anyone is happy with carrying dangerous amounts of excess weight so there must be something that is keeping it there, whether it is physiological or psychological, in effect these people are being judged on that.
There must be a large psychological, element to it otherwise there wouldn't be all the 'justification' campaigns to match the lose weight/get fit campaigns.


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Living here, I see far fewer overweight people than in the UK but I think that is down to there being less opportunity to over-indulge. As others have said; eating out is expensive and you can't really buy the super-size packs of products.
This may be down to the peer group effect as well as well as the lack of opportunity that you describe. I've never ever seen anyone order more than one bratwurst und brot for themselves here.
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I disagree here.

Today we have more and more boundaries. Political correctness has gone crazy. We fear saying anything in case it offends someone, somewhere.
Now isn't that just so true!!! Oh yes it is.
Perhaps many folks, for fear of saying anything offensive, prefer to eat their words.
If you get what I mean. You know like, I can't ever express what I really want to say therefore I'd rather stuff my face.

Modern psychology. pffftt. screw it. I way prefer the old school and call things by their name.
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Old 21.06.2011, 10:45
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I was once in Hawaii. A morbidly-obese man in front of me at the queue in a burger place ordered six ...<snip>

I was was in Bosnia another time. <snip>
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We have a small percentage of obese people with physical medical problems that get them on the big size.
However, I simply cannot believe that in a country like the U.S.A, all the others are totally screwed up with psychological problems that cause them to over-eat.
I do agree that people generally over-eat, I just don't think you can generalise by saying they can just stop eating and it'll all be OK. It isn't that simple. The psychological problems that affect over-eaters can often come after they've put the weight on. So while these may not have cause them to become obese in the first place, they get into a vicious circle of low self-esteem, "turn to food" and spiral out of control in a negative feedback loop.

If we agree - an assumption - that obesity is a medical condition, verging on an addiction or repetitive behaviour, whether purely self-afflicted or other, then apply your reasoning to other addictions:
Smokers - just quit smoking
Alcoholics - just quit drinking
Drug addicts - just stop shooting up

You really think this approach would work?

The best situation is to avoid getting obese in the first place, just like not smoking, not drinking (too much!) or not taking drugs.

I think something that people don't realise is that losing the weight, once it is there and you are, say, over 25 is very very hard.

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Modern psychology. pffftt. screw it. I way prefer the old school and call things by their name.
What? Obese - that's not "PCism" and is the correct term. Why bring PCism into this: it is a red-herring or straw man argument (take your pick).
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I do agree that people generally over-eat, I just don't think you can generalise by saying they just stop eating and it'll all be OK. It isn't that simple.

If we agree - an assumption - that obesity is a medical condition, verging on an addiction or repetitive behaviour, whether purely self-afflicted or other, then apply your reasoning to other addictions:
Smokers - just quit smoking
Alcoholics - just quit drinking
Drug addicts - just stop shooting up

You really think this approach would work?

The best situation is to avoid getting obese in the first place, just like not smoking, not drinking (too much!) or not taking drugs.

I think something that people don't realise is that losing the weight, once it is there and you are, say, over 25 is very very hard.
The difference with food, unlike cigs or drugs or alcohol, you can't just stop eating food or you die. I think Kittster made this point earlier but you have to keep eating a bit of what you are addicted to so you are effectively taunting yourself with your nemesis whereas with the other addictions (except perhaps drugs), you can remove yourself from them completely and avoid temptation. Beating the food addiction must be doubly difficult.
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Old 21.06.2011, 10:58
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************STOP PRESS************

Tom1234's been to a burger place!

Twice!


I've been to loads. In fact, on another thread, I mentioned that I went to one everyday for a week in a mini 'super-size-me' experiment to see whether I could put on weight from eating these because people reckon I'm one of those mythical beings who can eat what they want and remain slim.

Yes, I put on loads of weight that week despite running about 70k.

(and I only had one burger and fries (no bun, only lettuce) and a diet drink).

Scary, eh?
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Re: Fast fatty foods

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The difference with food, unlike cigs or drugs or alcohol, you can't just stop eating food or you die. I think Kittster made this point earlier but you have to keep eating a bit of what you are addicted to so you are effectively taunting yourself with your nemesis whereas with the other addictions (except perhaps drugs), you can remove yourself from them completely and avoid temptation. Beating the food addiction must be doubly difficult.
So true,

At the moment we begin to count your calories, it easily becomes an addiction, you can't stop counting!

I love to watch Supersize vs Superskinny and this show gives you a very good idea of what is the reality of both sides. You can't make a judgement of what people eat just based on that and their physical appearence. You have a whole process, life experience and history behind the eating pattern.

It is not that simple and it takes hell load of work to change and achieve it.

When food is your addiction (in both ways: not eating it or over eating it) you can't stay away from it, you have to face it and learn to deal with it and heal what brang you into this relationship with the food.

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Old 21.06.2011, 11:00
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The difference with food, unlike cigs or drugs or alcohol, you can't just stop eating food or you die. I think Kittster made this point earlier but you have to keep eating a bit of what you are addicted to so you are effectively taunting yourself with your nemesis whereas with the other addictions (except perhaps drugs), you can remove yourself from them completely and avoid temptation. Beating the food addiction must be doubly difficult.
Good grief, haven't you gotten it yet?! Yet another post by the brainwashed PC crowd!

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Good grief, haven't you gotten it yet?! Yet another post by the brainwashed PC crowd!
Shut it, fatso.


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Perhaps you're right about the political correctness. Where it was once appropriate to say denigrating things about people based on race, height, illnesses, gender, dress, most religions, that doesn't work .. but we've all found something we can really get behind to denigrate - fat people and a few religious/ethnic groups. I mean, we have to have an outlet for all that judgment lurking beneath the surface, and well, of course, it's for their own good, isn't it. So really, you're just helping society. Nice.

I think we need more useful outlets for all that energy. But I guess I must be too PC.


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Re: Fast fatty foods

For this debate to make any sense the issues should not be mixed up.

1) Offending people suffering from obesity

Don't give a hoot, it's never correct to make another human being feel bad about themselves. It is damaging. People really should question what they are about to express: will this offend somebody ? will the opinion change something ?
I still prefer the adage: If you can't say something nice or positively constructive.... please kindly refrain.

2) The scientific facts about obesity and the reduced quality of life and perhaps life span.

Interesting point, what solutions can be found ?
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2) The scientific facts about obesity and the reduced quality of life and perhaps life span.

Interesting point, what solutions can be found ?
If people really can't help themselves then one solution would be to ban the sale of high-sugar drinks, junk food etc.

However, for those who enjoy these things in moderation, perhaps just hiking the price would do it.

Or, a licence to consume - only those who are under a certain weight can get the licence.

None of these are particularly attractive though.

Jamie Oliver seems to be doing the right thing by getting the message across about healthy eating from an early age.
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Jamie Oliver seems to be doing the right thing by getting the message across about healthy eating from an early age.
He is doing his best but is (predictably) being met with a lot of resistance, particularly in America.
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If the obesity is caused by food intake....
Cortisone makes you balloon without changing your eating habits for instance.
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If the obesity is caused by food intake....
Cortisone makes you balloon without changing your eating habits for instance.
One of the unfortunate effects of cortisone is increased appetite so without management that would contribute to weight gain.
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we've all found something we can really get behind to denigrate - fat people and a few religious/ethnic groups.
Not to mention smokers, and non-smokers that have no problem with smokers!

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Re: Fast fatty foods

I don't really see the point of all this..It's obvious people shouldn't over eat, it's obvious people should exercise, etc.

While we are at it, are we going to jab at people who have or had booze abuse problems?

How about anything else that causes harm? It's pointless. I could go on and on how I never had weight issues, any kind of substance issues, yady yady, and make myself feel super good. I exercise and am not always PC. No excuse to point fingers at anyone. If there is anything I would love to point my finger at would be conceited folks and people who do not value knowledge. But why would I? Why should we?

I do not think this culture is better for having expensive food and not tolerating weight problems. It may be making people have healthier lives, who knows. I enjoy active lifestyle so certain things suit me better. Peer pressure if it is to keep slim, not sure about this. I have grown tired of people openly making comments about fat people here in public, really bad taste.

I really like my exercise "buddies" who are super fat cashiers from local Migros. I like having them around. They lift weights everytime I am sweating on my eliptical. I admire them and think they are fit. Who cares about their lunch cakes they need to sweat off, who cares about their seemingly excessive kilos. They probably call themselves whales, but I would never ever dare. Why all these cheap shots.

There was a very interesting talk on WRS, I think it was in either Health Matters or Kids in mind, talking about increasing anorexia and how now the link with aggressive gov campaign against excessive eating have gone too far.

I haven't seen it in the German part, but here, it is getting much more visible, especially now, in summer. Sad.

So, when we are judging people accordingly to the contents of their plates...Who are we to do that? Haven't we done anything stupid enough to feel superior just looking at one over loading their plate?

Some people can't control their eating, others their urges to the extent of not hurting themselves but their loved ones instead, other can't control being judgemental, yady yady..

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Re: Fast fatty foods

There was an interesting article on a UK tv programme yesterday.
A slim health-conscious doctor went without food for quite a number of hours, and was then put into a magnetic resonance imaging scanner and shown images of various types of food at random.
Her brain hardly reacted to healthy salads, but went into overdrive at images of chips, cakes and chocolate, demonstrating that we are all hard-wired to find junk food attractive, even though we may choose not to eat it.
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