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At the end of the day DB (a great expression that also gets up many peoples' nose or whatever) - number 1 has to happen, as in most case health problems will catch up with one's weight, like diabetes, heart problems, bad knees and hips, etc. Although like you, I chose the last 2 for a very long time, still do + added numero uno- as I want to stay fit and active for as long as I can despite my disability.
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OK. Enough silliness. Here's my serious contribution to this topic:

You are fat. Some people think you are funny because you are fat. Some people think you are stupid because you are fat. Some people think you are despicable because you are fat. Some people think you are irresponsible because you are fat.

As long as you are fat, somebody, somewhere, is looking at you with pity, contempt or amusement.

As long as you are fat, there is nothing you can do to change that fact.

You have, therefore, the following options:

  • Lose weight;
  • Get upset and complain about it;
  • Go on a crusade against the wicked, judgmental people of this world;
  • Ignore the silly sods;
  • Laugh it off;
  • Make fun of them for failing to enjoy their short, brutal, miserable lives as much as you enjoy yours.
I choose the last three.

Which do you choose?

Cheers,

A fat person.
Well, which I choose probably seems fairly obvious but it is more a matter of "it depends" for me.

At times, I ignore them. At times, I laugh it off - usually between close friends though - and this one combines nicely with making fun of them for behaving like miserable old grouches instead of simply enjoying.


Meanwhile, although I *know* that beating someone about the head (either literally or figuratively) doesn't actually force any change of thought or heart into their being, I still get wrapped up in my own thought that perhaps, just perhaps, some will actually learn that such behavior is WRONG.

Calling someone a whale tells me that to the person who does it, that someone they're making fun of is less than human. Forget PC, I don't give that much of a rat's tail for "PC" - I DO care that people seem to fail to actually SEE each other as PEOPLE. Living breathing people who have feelings, who act and react, who live and die and hope and dream and love and hate and stumble and get up again. Who not only have weaknesses, but who also have strengths as well.


I also think that it is a thing of practice. I have nasty thoughts about people too but a while back, I told myself that by not SAYING them, I can start to break the cycle of them saying them too. So if I don't say it, and they don't say it, maybe I'll break the habit of even thinking it, and so will they.

Instead practice trying to think of something positive about everyone you meet or see. You maybe surprised at how much more often you smile when you think "kind" thoughts instead of "mean" ones... love instead of hate.

For me, it (mostly) works.

(That doesn't mean that people who BEHAVE badly don't piss me off though, they most certainly - and obviously - do.)


Oh, and Leni. You have been judged by your words, your behavior and your attitude... not your appearance (or sex, or race, or sexual preference, or national origin, or religion). There is a difference.
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Well, which I choose probably seems fairly obvious but it is more a matter of "it depends" for me.

At times, I ignore them. At times, I laugh it off - usually between close friends though - and this one combines nicely with making fun of them for behaving like miserable old grouches instead of simply enjoying.


Meanwhile, although I *know* that beating someone about the head (either literally or figuratively) doesn't actually force any change of thought or heart into their being, I still get wrapped up in my own thought that perhaps, just perhaps, some will actually learn that such behavior is WRONG.

Calling someone a whale tells me that to the person who does it, that someone they're making fun of is less than human. Forget PC, I don't give that much of a rat's tail for "PC" - I DO care that people seem to fail to actually SEE each other as PEOPLE. Living breathing people who have feelings, who act and react, who live and die and hope and dream and love and hate and stumble and get up again. Who not only have weaknesses, but who also have strengths as well.


I also think that it is a thing of practice. I have nasty thoughts about people too but a while back, I told myself that by not SAYING them, I can start to break the cycle of them saying them too. So if I don't say it, and they don't say it, maybe I'll break the habit of even thinking it, and so will they.

Instead practice trying to think of something positive about everyone you meet or see. You maybe surprised at how much more often you smile when you think "kind" thoughts instead of "mean" ones... love instead of hate.

For me, it (mostly) works.

(That doesn't mean that people who BEHAVE badly don't piss me off though, they most certainly - and obviously - do.)


Oh, and Leni. You have been judged by your words, your behavior and your attitude... not your appearance (or sex, or race, or sexual preference, or national origin, or religion). There is a difference.
Thank you. I love this post.
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Thank you. I love this post.
Me too.

Oh, and if it can make a difference, I am not taking this position because I am overweight, I am not. I am a normal size. I am still not happy with my weight, I wish I'll go back to my skinny shape. I have not a good body image and it does make me sad. Because while everybody around me think I am normal, I feel like I am fat.

Why I think like that? Probably some body image distortion (or not) I refuse to be on a picture, I can't look at myself in the mirror and find myself nice.

I gave birth 2 months ago and I am not able to give myself a break, I think ALL the time about my weight, my shape and it makes me miserable.

So, those who do have a weight problem, I feel very sorry for them to have people like Leni laughing at them and calling them names.

I have no one calling me names and laughing at me (beside myself) and it is terrible how it makes one feel.
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Cookies! Cookies! Gimme cookies with my coffee!
Yeah, I could have some butter shortbreads. Aaaaah.
I wonder what would people think watching me eat it, probably nothing. But if I happened to have 30kilos extra, according to some in this threads, I would be in for some serious stereotyping about my personality. Evil evil evil.

Not everbody does mental shortcuts. I know very few people who actually judge others based on how many kilos they have to carry. Pretty lucky person I am, huh...
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Oo, you're gonna slap me, but ... genetics may play a part in how easily someone puts on weight, but it's still the amount and type of food eaten that causes a person to become overweight/obese.
Not true.... wish it was that simple.
Like Carrie, I look at a cheeseburger and I gain 1 kg. It's just unfair, but as you say: c'est la vie.

The secret is.... there is one.... and it's not dieting or quantity....

- boost your metabolism with sports (an indoor-bike)
- splitting up the food groups
- eating chronology (when during the day, you're allowed to eat certain foods)

By boosting your metabolism with sports (better in the morning on an empty stomach) you'll burn calories faster like atheletes do. You've got to get your doctor's approval first because if you have a health issue it might not be advised to start cardio work-outs first thing in the morning
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By boosting your metabolism with sports (better in the morning on an empty stomach)
This advice is worth all the gold there is, so true. There is a huge difference in impact between morning and evening work outs, I never really understood the system behind it, but works for me, too.

Now, with the food groups and spliting. How does one get rid off the impractical habit of eating bread with everything . It's cultural. And the bread here is too good, I couldn't care less for treats, but bread..
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This advice is worth all the gold there is, so true. There is a huge difference in impact between morning and evening work outs, I never really understood the system behind it, but works for me, too.

Now, with the food groups and spliting. How does one get rid off the impractical habit of eating bread with everything . It's cultural. And the bread here is too good, I couldn't care less for treats, but bread..
Easy one to explain and so logical too..
When you work-out on an empty tummy, your body digs into its reserve to burn calories (energy). When you work-out after having eaten, you smart body first burns that before kicking into the reserve.

Now seriously you've got to check with your doctor first because it can be harmful to go nuts at sports and start changing your way of life if you have a health issue.
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Not a particularly good idea for those with diabetes, as your blood sugar would drop dramatically. That's the stupid thing with blood sugar - you need to bring it down overall long-term, but sharp drops are no good. So advice suitable for a non-diabetic is just not necessarily a good idea, and can be positively dangerous.

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Not true.... wish it was that simple.
Like Carrie, I look at a cheeseburger and I gain 1 kg.
It is that simple. And no you don't; you have to EAT the cheeseburger.
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It is that simple. And no you don't; you have to EAT the cheeseburger.
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Old 26.06.2011, 15:07
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Re: Fast fatty foods

So - my thoughts and words about some unfriendly, anonymous women have been judged.
OK.

Anyone heard of the "Thought Police"? All unorthodox opinions are considered evil :


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police


Or am I not allowed to say that?
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And thank God for injecting a bit of humour into this thread........
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It isn't that simple. This is what Carlos has tried to say- in particular mentioning the Pima Indians. Some people are built to store as much energy as possible as fat.

My father was called The Zipper up to his mid 30s or so. He could not gain weight. He tried, he was self concious of his skinniness, he ate massive amounts of food and remained The Zipper. Somewhere along the line his metabolizm changed, and since he was used to stuffing his face in vain he got rather chubby.


Some folks will stay skinny in spite of terrible eating and exercising habits. Some will stay fat in spite of exemplary eating and exercise habits.
But most people will get in shape if they watch what they eat and exercise a bit. That's true.

But saying to a chubby person 'go on a diet and take a walk' when you can have 3 croissants every morning big lunch heavy dinner and a couple beers and stay slim is like a millionaire telling a poor person 'you should save more money'. It just doesn't make sense in every case.

Regardless of the science and mechanics of weight gain/loss, pointing fingers and tut tutting at fat/skinny/ugly/goofy/nerdy/whatever people is, as my Grandmother used to say common.
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So - my thoughts and words about some unfriendly, anonymous women have been judged.
OK.

Anyone heard of the "Thought Police"? All unorthodox opinions are considered evil :


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police


Or am I not allowed to say that?

Your thoughts judged? Good grief, dramatic much?

Your WORDS were judged yes, but nasty thoughts should simply be kept to yourself!

Didn't your parents (or nanny, or kindergarten teacher, or whomever you had that was supposed to teach such things ) teach you ANYTHING about manners?
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It isn't that simple. This is what Carlos has tried to say- in particular mentioning the Pima Indians. Some people are built to store as much energy as possible as fat.
So? If they don't eat anything are you saying they'll just get fatter and fatter? I bet they don't. I bet they'll die of starvaton. Same as you or me.

They probably can't eat as much as, say, I can and stay slim, but that's the entire point. They need to eat an amount which is good for them, not just look at an average person's diet and think "well, I'm gonna eat that much and if I get fat I'll blame someone else!".
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So? If they don't eat anything are you saying they'll just get fatter and fatter? I bet they don't. I bet they'll die of starvaton. Same as you or me.

They probably can't eat as much as, say, I can and stay slim, but that's the entire point. They need to eat an amount which is good for them, not just look at an average person's diet and think "well, I'm gonna eat that much and if I get fat I'll blame someone else!".
If someone blames others or God or whatever for whatever physical or mental challenges they are facing rather than deal with them, that's unfortunate for sure.

So I agree with you except that the entire point of the latter portion of this thread is: being fat isn't as simple as being lazy and uninterested. It can be the result of a myriad of mental or physical issues.

Bear with me here.

Being fat isn't necessarily the result of being lazy or uninterested. It can and is often the result of mental or physical issues- issues that normal people don't have to deal with.

Please, bear with me, I know this is complicated.

Just because one throws out the "oh to hell with PC bulls**t" chuckle chuckle, doesn't make it ok to call people out for being fat. It doesn't, not in polite society. No PC bullsh**t there.

Or, one can get their laughs from dyslexics, stutterers, people with weird birthmarks, walk pigeon toed, gingers, depressed people, alcoholics, addicts of any sort, weaklings, muscle men, fake blonds, and people with tooth veneers.

I know, I know, the pedantic are going to tear up the above list and say "see this that and the other are different from fat people, here's why, here's why you're wrong". Whatever. It's one thing to mutter "fat bastard!" under your breath or to a friend in a situation where a fat guy is being a bastard. Talking about the ridiculousness of fat people, bastards or not, in a social situation like the EF is just crass. It's impolite to make fun of people for their physical 'defects'.

It's impolite. Mkay?
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Re: Fast fatty foods

Odile, you are completely correct, which is why in both of my messages I wrote that a doctor's approval is necessary.
It worked for me (I followed the book, "Body For Life"), but I'm not diabetic. Any kind of serious exercise that would make a dramatic change should get doctor's support beforehand.
I managed my way though it starting slowly with 20 minutes every morning and built up the stamina over weeks and then months. I was very overweight when I started and can remember how difficult it was.
I can only suggest to consider serious "keep fit" as a way of life to be adopted slowly with careful medical attention and check-ups.

BTW.. addendum.. I am far from being a thin, fit fitness freak. Seriously I'm in my early forties, normal weight, really poor muscle tone and I've got to kick myself in the butt to get moving.
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BTW.. addendum.. I am far from being a thin, fit fitness freak. Seriously I'm in my early forties, normal weight, really poor muscle tone and I've got to kick myself in the butt to get moving.
Ahh, but you do look fantastic! Just my type, if I swung that way.

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