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Old 03.06.2011, 23:34
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In the same vein,

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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depends..
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck would chuck wood?
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Old 03.06.2011, 23:51
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In the same vein,

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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Would this chuck be in a forest where no one is there to hear it?
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Old 03.06.2011, 23:59
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Would this chuck be in a forest where no one is there to hear it?
Hmmm, good question!

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No.
The question is designed to demonstrate whether or not the "device under test" understands how to correctly parse Algebraic Operands in Mathmatical Expressions.

The confusion is caused by people thinking there is ambiguity about whether or not there is a correct manner in which to do these things. math is nothing if not unambiguous.

The problem is that people don't understand that a/bc is the same as (a)(1/b)(c) but not the same as a/(bc).

It's ok to be wrong and doesn't make bad people but it still doesn't make a wrong answer right.

This is the great thing about math. It doesn't care how much money you have or your national origin. The correct answer is still the correct answer.
Incredible. Wrong on nearly every point. Why do you still fail to grasp the ambiguity (as reported by the Maths forum), that both answers are correct, and that a mathematician would not write the equation that way. Why do you not admit to the ambiguity of the juxtaposition, and that the question was posed to truly confuse and elicit that ambiguity. An open mind would accept both answers. A closed mind would hang in there and battle on.

Remember this black and white picture.... You see the old lady, others see the young lady, both are correct, yet you dispute the fact....arguing with futility, exposing yourself as a victim to the trick.


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I will freely admit to having a closed mind, because an open mind - in any real life setting - results in confusion, indecision and failure.

Better to be sure, wrong and do, than be unsure, possibly right and not do.

The answer is 9.
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(as reported by the Maths forum)

"UTH is a moron" ... as reported by the English Forum.
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I will freely admit to having a closed mind, because an open mind - in any real life setting - results in confusion, indecision and failure.

Better to be sure, wrong and do, than be unsure, possibly right and not do.

The answer is 9.
Tosh (Sir)! An open mind sees freely, sees the ambiguity and is able to receive far more information. It allows yourself to act with more confidence and certainty. A closed mind is a stubborn mind. An open mind is ready to accept change and switch to right-thinking. A closed mind does not develop or improve.
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a mathematician would not write the equation that way.
Who CARES how a mathematician (or I, for that matter) would write it?

AS IT IS WRITTEN, the answer is 9!

Who gives a crap how it was intended?

It is a valid equation as it is written.

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I will freely admit to having a closed mind, because an open mind - in any real life setting - results in confusion, indecision and failure.

Better to be sure, wrong and do, than be unsure, possibly right and not do.

The answer is 9.
What DB said...except with an open mind.
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An open mind is a mind that agrees with the hatters in all things. Viva homeopathy!
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Who CARES how a mathematician (or I, for that matter) would write it?

AS IT IS WRITTEN, the answer is 9!

Who gives a crap how it was intended?

It is a valid equation as it is written.

Tom
It can be interpreted both ways, as already proven.

Boy, people are stubborn today

All arguments against the ambiguity are moot, futile and incorrect.
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Tosh (Sir)! An open mind sees freely, sees the ambiguity and is able to receive far more information. It allows yourself to act with more confidence and certainty. A closed mind is a stubborn mind. An open mind is ready to accept change and switch to right-thinking. A closed mind does not develop or improve.
I believe you got it all wrong about DB...he has a very open mind (maybe he's not even aware of it himself)...buuuuut, do you know anybody else who willingly wears that jacket?
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I believe you got it all wrong about DB...he has a very open mind (maybe he's not even aware of it himself)...buuuuut, do you know anybody else who wears that jacket?
I never disagreed with what DB is, it was self-proclaimed by him.
I too believe he has an open mind (...and a lady of numbers right next to him )



Oh, and I see a recent post of mine on this thread has gone missing. Foul !!!
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An open mind is a mind that agrees with the hatters in all things. Viva homeopathy!
Are you cross posting Sir ? Or just cross ?
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All arguments ... are moot, futile and incorrect.
an open mind, clearly. Unfortunately you're incorrect mate. Don't worry it happens to the best of us. Or at least those of us past key stage 2.
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Tosh (Sir)! An open mind sees freely, sees the ambiguity and is able to receive far more information. It allows yourself to act with more confidence and certainty. A closed mind is a stubborn mind. An open mind is ready to accept change and switch to right-thinking. A closed mind does not develop or improve.
Yes, it is good to have an open mind, just not so open that you brains fall out.
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Are you cross posting Sir ? Or just cross ?
Neither. It's just that with your lone, last man standing, argument against all the odds, all prevailing logic, against Google, against Microsoft, against the phd mathematician on this thread who's said that the format is standard and basically universally understood (barring those who can't do maths of course)...it rather seems like this may be rather more about you rather than the topic. Reminds me of your homeopathy delusions.
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Thanks for all the entertainment gents, truly you all are a unique and humourous bunch... I haven't laughed so much in ages.

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It can be interpreted both ways, as already proven.

Boy, people are stubborn today

All arguments against the ambiguity are moot, futile and incorrect.
True, but one way is wrong. Math doesn't care what you think it means.

In Mathematics you don't get to make up your own rules.
It is NOT philosophy. You don't get to redefine reality to suit the answer that you gave to make it right.

Sorry, you don't get to ignore the facts.
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Neither. It's just that with your lone, last man standing, argument against all the odds, all prevailing logic, against Google, against Microsoft, against the phd mathematician on this thread who's said that the format is standard and basically universally understood (barring those who can't do maths of course)...it rather seems like this may be rather more about you rather than the topic. Reminds me of your homeopathy delusions.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.



View Poll Results: 62(1+2) equals what?
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"I think this is far preferable to making detailed rules that are
likely to trick people. Sometimes one rule seems natural, and
sometimes another, so people will forget any rule we choose to teach
in this area. I've heard from too many students whose texts do "give
an example that really puts this rule to the test," but do so by
having them evaluate an expression like:

6/2(3)

that is too ambiguous for any reasonable mathematician ever to write.
And no matter what the rule, we would still constantly see students
write things like "1/2x" meaning half of x, so we'd still have to make
reasonable guesses rather than stick to the rule"

...

I've been continuing to research the history of Order of Operations,
and one of the references in our FAQ now includes a mention of
something I had also discovered, that the multiplication-division rule
has never really been fully accepted:

...

P.S. Some people argue about arithmetic-operation precedence by
referring to what this or that calculator or programming language
does. However, I believe all such references are irrelevant; for what
may be syntactically convenient for some computing device need not be
convenient (or traditional) for human mathematical writing.

- Doctor Peterson, The Math Forum
http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
"




Now go and argue there, and come back with the results.
The Maths experts have agreed, there is ambiguity, confusion and a contradictory teaching of the rules. No rule has actually reached precedent or is universally accepted.

This is what you all cannot accept. That what you have been taught is wrong.

This is where you have to give way.

You have been fooled , mislead for so long, it's no wonder you are all open mouthed and confused. Now, deep breath, out with the old, in with the new.

I myself started off as a "1" person, as I was taught, and then researched the experts views, agreed and reported it all back here. So blind were you all, so convinced were you that you were right, you refused to accept anything to the contrary.

“None so blind as those that will not see.”
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