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Old 03.06.2011, 13:19
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Re: Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is around to hear it ?

I think the real question is " if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around is the thread still considered noise ? "
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I think the real question is " if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around is the thread still considered noise ? "
No. It's in general off-topic...
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Old 03.06.2011, 13:21
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No. As in two identical individuals bar one is deaf, the other not and they are shielded from all effects of the tree falling bar the sound (wave). One person being deaf will hear nothing, while the other will hear the sound of the tree falling.

Yet, if you go by your definition of a conscious mind interpreting the sound, then for the deaf person there will have been no sound.

So who are we to believe - the person who heard it or the person who didn't?

And if we believe the deaf person that there was no sound, does that mean that the tree made no sound?

we also could believe all the birds flying up, the animals running away and the animals further away looking towards the falling tree... sorry, maybe not scientifical enough...
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Old 03.06.2011, 13:30
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I will be unscientific too, why would be sound the primary thing, either. The nature damage management will start anyways, even if humans don't hear it. Animals register, the creatures killed by it not anymore I guess. If ton of trees fell, even without anyone hearing it, and if they kept falling, nature would have noticed, the oxygen levels, the mud slides happen at deforested areas. So one tree makes a difference, since it can start a process lot bigger. Anyone up for some tree hugging?

Oy, is this some kind of flounce metaphor, or am I being really slow?
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Re: Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is around to hear it ?

The question is not about whether a tree falls or not, nor whether it was seen/witnessed, nor whether there are any effects from the tree falling (i.e. nature management as you call it). It is a question about whether during the act of falling it makes any noise if no one (human) is there to hear it.

Keep on topic, eh?
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Old 03.06.2011, 13:35
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The question is not about whether a tree falls or not, nor whether it was seen/witnessed, nor whether there are any effects from the tree falling (i.e. nature management as you call it). It is a question about whether during the act of falling it makes any noise if no one (human) is there to hear it.

Keep on topic, eh?
But what if someone is there to hear it but has Bose noise cancelling headphones on and doesn't hear it!

But surely it made a sound for the bose headphones to cancel out?

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But what if someone is there to hear it but has Bose noise cancelling headphones on and doesn't hear it!

But surely it made a sound for the bose headphones to cancel out?
Quite... I eagerly await UTH's return from pool-side... or maybe not...
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The question is not about whether a tree falls or not, nor whether it was seen/witnessed, nor whether there are any effects from the tree falling (i.e. nature management as you call it). It is a question about whether during the act of falling it makes any noise if no one (human) is there to hear it.

Keep on topic, eh?
When did humans become so important?

What was before, the things or the concept of things for people to play with and name them?

I think the tree falling matters without us hearing it. I don't consider human perception of stuff the most important.
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When did humans become so important?

What was before, the things, the concept of things for people to play with and name them?

I think the tree falling matters without us hearing it. I don't consider human perception of stuff the most important.
Because they are the only ones dumb enough to have the discussion. Meanwhile all the animals are too busy running the f**k out the way...

Seriously, though, that's why I asked my first question...
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Re: Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is around to hear it ?

The nature of this argument reminds me the good old realism/nominalism conflict. Was the thing here before somebody even registered and named it.

Does cleaning really matters if nobody sees us doing it....Suuuuure.
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The nature of this argument reminds me the good old realism/nominalism conflict. Was the thing here before somebody even registered and named it.
It reminds you of it, 'cos it's pretty much the same discussion...
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Quite... I eagerly await UTH's return from pool-side... or maybe not...
Don't you know when UtH says playing pool, he isn't talking about pool...? That's just your interpretation, open that mind up man!

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It reminds you of it, 'cos it's pretty much the same discussion...
Yes. And when did that start? It actually never really ended , even if you keep religion out of it.

So, the easiest will be to take that tree into the account.
And clean, when nobody's looking.
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And clean, when nobody's looking.

so long as you do a good job, and don't forget to dust....
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The underlined part of the of the statement (assumption) already states that a sound was made.

Now the argument is if the presence or absence of a recepient has a a bearing on the fact of sound being generated.

This is my expert conclusion from a philosophical perspective. Anyone who disagrees is clearly ignorant.
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The underlined part of the of the statement (assumption) already states that a sound was made.

Now the argument is if the presence or absence of a recepient has a a bearing on the fact of sound being generated.

This is my expert conclusion from a philosophical perspective. Anyone who disagrees is clearly ignorant.
Ah but the original question was: Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is around to here it?

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