Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is around to hear it ? - Page 3

Wasted · #41 03.06.2011, 14:13

	Quote:	Carlos R
	Ah but the original question was: Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is around to here it?

Ok, in that case, Im spellbound!

Upthehatters2008 · #42 03.06.2011, 14:36

If a man says something in a forest and a woman is not around, is he still wrong ?

Chemmie · #43 03.06.2011, 14:40

	Quote:	Upthehatters2008
	If a man says something in a forest and a woman is not around, is he still wrong ?

If a tree falls and kills a women, how did a tree get into the kitchen?

TidakApa · #44 03.06.2011, 15:03

	Quote:	Upthehatters2008
	If a man says something in a forest and a woman is not around, is he still wrong ?

	Quote:	Chemmie
	If a tree falls and kills a women, how did a tree get into the kitchen?

Awesome !!!

MusicChick · #45 03.06.2011, 15:04

	Quote:	Upthehatters2008
	If a man says something in a forest and a woman is not around, is he still wrong ?

What kind of rhetorical question is that...

st2lemans · #46 03.06.2011, 15:15

	Quote:	Upthehatters2008
	Sound means one thing. Not your latter choice. Sound waves <> Sounds unless a mind is involved in the interpretation. To have sounds , you need a conscious mind to hear, thus a presence, thus around the tree when it falls.

Ummm, I design sound processing equipment as a means to pay for my motorcycle fetish.

So, if I don't listen to it, does it process any sound?

Tom

Upthehatters2008 · #47 03.06.2011, 15:19

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Ummm, I design sound processing equipment as a means to pay for my motorcycle fetish. So, if I don't listen to it, does it process any sound? Tom

Process sound ? Or hear sound ?

NotAllThere · #48 03.06.2011, 15:29

The tree cannot fall if there is no one around. No one can observe the fall, so the fall cannot be said to happen. As no sound can be produced by a non-event, no sound is made.

Faltrad · #49 03.06.2011, 15:35

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	The tree cannot fall if there is no one around. No one can observe the fall, so the fall cannot be said to happen. As no sound can be produced by a non-event, no sound is made.

How do you know there was a tree... were you there?

Dan of the dead · #50 03.06.2011, 15:57

"If a man expresses an opinion in a forest and his mother-in-law isn't there to hear it, is he still wrong?"- Les Dawson

Wasted · #51 03.06.2011, 16:27

NotAllThere · #52 03.06.2011, 16:56

	Quote:	Faltrad
	How do you know there was a tree... were you there?

Exactly. There is no tree, no forest, so the whole question is meaningless.

Chemmie · #53 03.06.2011, 16:57

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Exactly. There is no tree, no forest, so the whole question is meaningless.

How do you know there was a question there!??

Upthehatters2008 · #54 03.06.2011, 17:02

	Quote:	Chemmie
	How do you know there was a question there!??

It is now clear to me, you are all figments of my imagination, that I have dreamt up to be aware of yourselves. If you think you exist, it is only because I want you to think that.

When I close my eyes, all of you cease to be. Unless of course I want you to be.

Ouchboy · #55 03.06.2011, 17:21

Mud · #56 03.06.2011, 17:31

Ouchboy, if you nap for 6 hours in the middle of the day of course you are going to have problems sleeping. Several threads have been going without images all afternoon!

MusicChick · #57 03.06.2011, 17:33

	Quote:	Upthehatters2008
	When I close my eyes, all of you cease to be. Unless of course I want you to be.

As all kids tell ya when they are three. And have their sunglasses on.

the_clangers · #58 03.06.2011, 17:41

	Quote:	Upthehatters2008
	As a pressure wave, yes, but Eco's reference is a poor one for a sound. ..and as an interpretation in a human mind of the pressure wave hitting the ear drum and being transmitted from mechanical movements into electrical brain activity, then no. (If by feeling you mean 'being felt by the anvil/hammer/stirrup bones etc) Will pick this up later. I have to shoot some pool with the kids.

So are you saying that only human beings are capable of hearing and that the hundreds of mammals that are in all likelihood present when the tree falls don't count or aren't able to hear?

the_clangers · #59 03.06.2011, 17:45

	Quote:	Carlos R
	No. As in two identical individuals bar one is deaf, the other not and they are shielded from all effects of the tree falling bar the sound (wave). One person being deaf will hear nothing, while the other will hear the sound of the tree falling. Yet, if you go by your definition of a conscious mind interpreting the sound, then for the deaf person there will have been no sound. So who are we to believe - the person who heard it or the person who didn't? And if we believe the deaf person that there was no sound, does that mean that the tree made no sound?

And yet I can promise you that the deaf person will still sense those sound waves traveling through the ground and air and will still know that something fell.

Wasted · #60 03.06.2011, 17:45

	Quote:	the_clangers
	So are you saying that only human beings are capable of hearing and that the hundreds of mammals that are in all likelihood present when the tree falls don't count or aren't able to hear?

Yo Dawg. I heard you like saying So you're saying.

So I put a you're saying in you're saying so you can keep on saying you're saying while you're saying.