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Kittster 25.07.2011 00:06

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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 1275295)
If she is classed as obese then BMI is even more flawed than I originally thought

Well, I'm classed as obese and am torn between thinking "I can see my feet and touch my toes, I can't be THAT fat?" and "wow, three figures on the scales, get a grip, woman!". But even as an obese woman, I disagree with calling ladies who are naturally slim anything other than a real woman. Where I struggle is the borderline anorexics who make life miserable for us chubbsters because they will not let an opportunity to put us down pass.

NSchulzi 25.07.2011 00:12

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Originally Posted by Kittster (Post 1275302)
Well, I'm classed as obese and am torn between thinking "I can see my feet and touch my toes, I can't be THAT fat?" and "wow, three figures on the scales, get a grip, woman!". But even as an obese woman, I disagree with calling people who are naturally slim anything other than a real woman. Where I struggle is the borderline anorexics who make life miserable for us chubbsters because they will not let an opportunity to put us down pass.

If you can touch your toes then good for you (I can't)!

Regarding your last comment, that goes both ways. Being of the naturally slimmer variety (not borderline anorexic), I have had to put up with a lot of stick from larger ladies over the years.

zymogen 25.07.2011 00:22

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I believe they make the same sort of noise all women make (given the guy is any good).

Kittster 25.07.2011 00:22

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Originally Posted by Nicolaschulz (Post 1275307)
If you can touch your toes then good for you (I can't)!

Regarding your last comment, that goes both ways. Being of the naturally slimmer variety (not borderline anorexic), I have had to put up with a lot of stick from larger ladies over the years.

I know it goes both ways, I guess it's a way of releasing the anger a lot of larger women feel regarding the way we are made out to be second class citizens. Many years ago, when I was thirty kilos lighter than I am now but still by no means "slim", my then-boyfriend's brother's first comment upon seeing me was "couldn't you manage to find a slim girlfriend?", as if I was just an emergency solution. The way Swiss clothing shops treat the larger customer also tallies with that, which is why I WISH I could afford impromptu trips across the channel, maybe then I'd not beat myself up quite as much...

lost_inbroad 25.07.2011 00:24

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Originally Posted by zymogen (Post 1275317)
I believe they make the same sort of noise all women make (given the guy is any good).

If the guy is any good...the woman doesn`t make noise but faces. (well, this explains your sex life in a nutshell :rolleyes:)

zymogen 25.07.2011 00:26

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Originally Posted by lost_inbroad (Post 1275320)
If the guy is any good...the woman doesn`t make noise but faces. (well, this explains your sex life in a nutshell :rolleyes:)

Not just mine...

Kittster 25.07.2011 00:30

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This just in - most of us are probably just "normal". Not "skinny" or "fat", but normal. For some reason "normal" no longer seems to be an accepted description of one's appearance, as there is not enough drama in there. If your weight causes YOU problems (and you don't have a history of anorexia), then it is up to you to change it or accept the problems / how you see the problems. This is VERY hard but probably the only solution. Nice clothes will definitely help with the accepting part as will friends who think you are simply great. Bonus for a significant other with that attitude.

Mud 25.07.2011 00:40

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Originally Posted by lost_inbroad (Post 1275320)
If the guy is any good...the woman doesn`t make noise but faces. (well, this explains my sex life in a nutshell :rolleyes:)

Yes, that look of surprise.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...fi1/oopshg.gif

Guest 25.07.2011 00:47

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Variety is the spice of life! :)

(Well, it used to be. I mean, now I like my home comforts, and... ow! ow! I'm only trying to be n

Mowvich 25.07.2011 00:48

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Originally Posted by lost_inbroad (Post 1275297)
I find her attractive...sorta like a modern day, skinnier version of Venus of Willendorf. :)

What the hell are you doing in the ladies room....get back to the poker table :D

P.S: Nice thread EF ladies :p

Kittster 25.07.2011 01:20

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Dare to wear a pencil skirt to show off your bountiful behind - it looks great. Of course, the aforementioned miserable dieters will call you "vulgar" and suggest that you should "wear something that distracts from your fat ar$e" but you really do only live once...
http://bigbeautyfashion.com/wp-conte...affiliate1.jpg

Sky 25.07.2011 06:50

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Yes, the green dress would look amazing but not in shimmering material, that would just accentuate what you don't want.
Stockings should be a shade darker too.

Kittster, that last pic is really nice. She looks great.
Way to many curvy ladies dress in tents. Only the UK offers pretty, elegant figure-enhancing clothing for curves. Here the choice is awful for anything over a size 42-44.

Guest 25.07.2011 08:42

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I wish they would use women of these sizes with the same frequency that they use the "size zero" brigade. Whenever I see them modelling like this, it is always accompanied by some trite article saying that larger sizes are people, too. :mad:

Until they start using women of all sizes and shapes (which, let's be honest, reflects the general population) it will always be an issue.

On a purely superficial level, I prefer the women who have these lovely curves, the clothes look fantastic.

Peg A 25.07.2011 09:09

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I wonder how much the concept of "fashionable beauty" (as opposed in some ways to what is sexually attractive) is / was pushed because of the whole bra-burning feminist movement in 40'ish years ago.

Curvy women are "seen as" more feminine, more housewifey, more soft, homey, motherly... even LiB's comparison to Venus of Willendorf is a harkening toward woman as mother (in this case, believed to represent the Great Mother of all, from whom all life originates) as opposed to woman as capable businesswoman, as she was (thought to have been) worshiped by ancient peoples.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Willendorf.jpg

So, the concept of beauty, in effort to get that image away from "housewife and mother" and into someone who is more of a superwoman who can do it all, just like a man, becomes more androgynous in many ways. The career wear is more tailored, similar to a man's suit. The ideal "professional" hairstyles are more severe, not long and luscious and curly.

So, we are pigeonholed a bit into looking like "Career Woman" as opposed to "Mother" and that's what went into fashion magazines... The slimmer women being characterized as women who were driven to "extremes" of body consciousness and work ethic, and of course, the two being tied together. How many times have you heard that heavy people (women especially) are lazy and dumb? They (WE!!!) even get paid less, less chances for promotions, etc, etc.

Meanwhile, "Mother" women were "allowed" a bit more leeway to "let herself go, the poor dear, she had five kids you know." Then. Next, in the 80s, it became the thing for EVERYONE to go to college, no, wait, to go to UNIVERSITY, after all, a community college, what's that but a fancy high school and women were focusing on their education and careers even more. With this focus again was the tie between physical appearance and mental capability. Voluptuous women are depicted as being scatterbrained while more svelte women are smarter and business savvy.



Anyhow, to me, the proof has always been in the pudding. I had a very nice early adulthood, had lots of fun with the guys "despite" being size 18 or 20 or even 22 (48 - 52 here). If it wasn't actually attractive in a sexual way, us fat gals wouldn't be getting laid as much as we do - not even as booty calls or one night stands. (That road goes both ways btw. :eek: ;) :D)

Guest 29.07.2011 11:23

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She looks ok. Nice clothes and nice make up too. She is on the fat side for me to find her sexually attractive though. I like em lot firmer.

29.07.2011 12:22

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What an interesting post and viewpoint :)

The feminism of the 60s has left quite an impression on my mother who passed this on to me (lucky me !!!).

The original idea was a more liberating form of feminism, to go away from typical stereotypes.

I'm not sure where to find it these days. Open any magazine or any other media, the same style of woman is looking at you.

I don't feel represented by them, even if typical products for women are being promoted, e.g. clothes, beauty products etc.

Today I read that LOreal is supposed to change an ad with Julia Roberts, as she was photo-shopped too intensive and the whole picture looks unnatural and artificial. But this is in the UK only.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/28...art-marketing/


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Originally Posted by Peg A (Post 1275399)
I wonder how much the concept of "fashionable beauty" (as opposed in some ways to what is sexually attractive) is / was pushed because of the whole bra-burning feminist movement in 40'ish years ago.

Curvy women are "seen as" more feminine, more housewifey, more soft, homey, motherly... even LiB's comparison to Venus of Willendorf is a harkening toward woman as mother (in this case, believed to represent the Great Mother of all, from whom all life originates) as opposed to woman as capable businesswoman, as she was (thought to have been) worshiped by ancient peoples.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Willendorf.jpg

So, the concept of beauty, in effort to get that image away from "housewife and mother" and into someone who is more of a superwoman who can do it all, just like a man, becomes more androgynous in many ways. The career wear is more tailored, similar to a man's suit. The ideal "professional" hairstyles are more severe, not long and luscious and curly.

So, we are pigeonholed a bit into looking like "Career Woman" as opposed to "Mother" and that's what went into fashion magazines... The slimmer women being characterized as women who were driven to "extremes" of body consciousness and work ethic, and of course, the two being tied together. How many times have you heard that heavy people (women especially) are lazy and dumb? They (WE!!!) even get paid less, less chances for promotions, etc, etc.

Meanwhile, "Mother" women were "allowed" a bit more leeway to "let herself go, the poor dear, she had five kids you know." Then. Next, in the 80s, it became the thing for EVERYONE to go to college, no, wait, to go to UNIVERSITY, after all, a community college, what's that but a fancy high school and women were focusing on their education and careers even more. With this focus again was the tie between physical appearance and mental capability. Voluptuous women are depicted as being scatterbrained while more svelte women are smarter and business savvy.



Anyhow, to me, the proof has always been in the pudding. I had a very nice early adulthood, had lots of fun with the guys "despite" being size 18 or 20 or even 22 (48 - 52 here). If it wasn't actually attractive in a sexual way, us fat gals wouldn't be getting laid as much as we do - not even as booty calls or one night stands. (That road goes both ways btw. :eek: ;) :D)


Ouchboy 29.07.2011 12:24

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my anaconda... don't want none..... unless you have buns, hon...


:cool:

Peg A 29.07.2011 14:07

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Originally Posted by Ouchboy (Post 1281097)
my anaconda... don't want none..... unless you have buns, hon...


:cool:

I know guys "hate" to be told this but really, you're just so cute. ;)




One thing that I've kept coming back to in my mind regarding this thread, as well as other places where that term "real woman" is used, is what that's supposed to mean.

I recall someone (sorry, can't remember who and didn't look before starting to type) in this thread saying that THEY read it to mean that skinny / non-curvy women are not real.

To me, it means something different... to me, it means that curvy woman are real women "too." For a long time (all my adult years at least, so 20+) women who are not fashionably thin are considered less than. Less pretty, less attractive, less smart, less ambitious, less capable... The words we've read and heard and images seen say that "real" women can do everything, can make time to work out and eat (only) healthy foods and take care of their 2.5 children and... wear fashionable clothes with perfect hair and makeup.

What we've been told is that we're so much less, we're not even people, so "we" feel the need to say that we ARE "real"... living breathing people who are women.



On the other hand, the "real" woman thing also has to do with attacking advertisements, as armaindair points out.

This image is the one in question in the article she linked:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im...7/28/julia.jpg

The image on the left is no longer a picture of a "real" woman, it surely started out that way but after they were done retouching and cropping and smoothing, it isn't any longer.

So, the "real" woman thing isn't about skinny women vs fat women and who is more "real" but rather, the pictures we see in advertisements are of people who simply do not exist.

The article also mentions the Dove "Real Beauty" campaign and video showing how a model goes from being a real woman to something that is no longer real.




So, again, it isn't about whether a curvy figure is more "real" than say... Sandgrounder's, who sounds like an athletically slender running enthusiast... but that we are BOTH "real women", in contrast to the images of "beauty" that are imposed upon us all.

Chemmie 29.07.2011 14:21

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Originally Posted by Peg A (Post 1281232)
.....So, again, it isn't about whether a curvy figure is more "real" than say... Sandgrounder's, who sounds like an athletically slender running enthusiast... but that we are BOTH "real women", in contrast to the images of "beauty" that are imposed upon us all.


Very true, there's nothing 'unreal' about a skinny person. I feel that too many people have these complexes where they see marketed beauty and believe that they should look the same.

I am no exception (media is psycologically very powerful). I constant see myself trying to get to the gym to aquire that "attractive" physique. And when I do, it does attract more attention from the opposite sex...unfortunately entirely from the shallow ones. When I stand my ground on personal natural beauty, I don't have to deal with this pretentious attention...but on that note, get no attention at all.
But that's life: on a sensory basis, humans are visual beings, so we're all shallow when it comes down to it.

NSchulzi 29.07.2011 14:26

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Originally Posted by Chemmie (Post 1281257)
And when I do, it does attract more attention from the opposite sex...unfortunately entirely from the shallow ones. When I stand my ground on personal natural beauty, I don't have to deal with this pretentious attention...but on that note, get no attention at all.

That's interesting, as I have quite often found that when I have made minimal effort to look good I actually receive more attention. That could be because I look more approachable, I guess. All very intriguing, this attractiveness/approachability/attractive to the wrong type ratio, isn't it?!


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