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Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 15:51

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1366990)
see above.

sorry, my suggestion is simply better than yours. deal with it! :msntongue:

Phil, your's is a flaky geek solution. In the real world, it would be a smoky jaloppy creaking and groaning every time it is powered on. It wouldn't last 6 months. It's Geek city I would be embarrassed to hand it over as solution.

My unit would be faster, last longer , much quieter and far more reliable.

Sorry, what did yours have going for it again ?

Of course, if you were willing to put some money on this , we could battle it out in the real world :) Shouldn't be too hard to reproduce the OP rig , and get some benchmarks , measurements taken....

Let me save you the trouble, someone has already compared the two

http://www.overclock.net/7437741-post391.html

As you can see the I5 vs an overclocked/overstretched 6600 is 30% faster in the CPU tests.
The overclocked Q6600 does not scale up with the card, it can barely fill the GTX560 , and will die if a bigger faster card is chosen next. the I5 will scale up easily for years to come.

Russkov 06.10.2011 15:59

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1366993)
The GT 530 is very weak. Check out the reviews. I would argue that it not really a card for a gaming rig. It's just a plain old OEM card. Gamers steer clear. I think the OP wants a good gaming card.

Ah yep, I checked and you're right. The GTX-550 and 560 are much better for gaming apparently. As far as complete systems go, only this one seems up to scratch:

http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=218880

No SSD and above his budget, though. Still, I'd argue that the convience of ready-made systems makes it worth it. A friend of mine ventured into the realm of building his own computer recently. He's a pretty tech-savy guy and enjoyed the experience at first, but he regrets it now. His SSD died and just dealing with separate components has been a hassle.

Chuff 06.10.2011 16:06

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1366630)
given that it is intended to be a gaming machine, i think replacing the CPU/mobo/ram is not the best approach.

instead the money should be spent on a new GFX card (major improvement in game performance), SSD (major improvement to general performance) and cooling to overclock the CPU (can reach 3GHz without issues) to use the CPU to full potential. games are typically GPU constrained, not CPU constrained so this approach will get maximum bang per buck.

Completely agree with Phil here. A Q6600 is still a very capable processor and when combined with a decent GPU will play just about anything you can throw at it. From the sounds of it, the Windows iinstall and slow HD are the culprit here.

Simply reinstall WIndows and upgrade to a new graphics card (I also reccommend a GTX560, checking your power supply is up to the task) and you will be good to go, without the hassle and expense of getting a completely new PC.

Russkov 06.10.2011 16:07

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What about these guys?

http://www.gamer-pc.ch/index.php?page=product&info=620

Try playing around with the specs, you may get the price down to desired levels and keep everything you want.

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 16:10

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a cheaper option would be:

- run CPU at 3.2ghz on air cooling.
- The GTX-560 or HD6870 or better card
- add SSD drive

gives similar or better performance than the UTH option at a fraction of the price.

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 16:14

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367037)
a cheaper option would be:

- run CPU at 3.2ghz on air cooling.
- HD6870 or better card
- add SSD drive

better performance that the UTH option at about a quarter of the price.

3.2 on air, thats going to be too loud to play Phil, it will drive the OP nuts. You must be deaf to suggest that lol

Seriously, you are scraping the barrel here. You are over-geeked and not focusing on the needs of the OP, instead, just trying to prove a non existent point. The OP has a 1000CHF to spend. Go away, and try and do better for a gaming rig, allowing for expansion and upgrade-ability in the future.....OOOPS ! you forgot about that didn't you...

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 16:16

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367045)
try and do better for a gaming rig, allowing for expansion and upgrade-ability in the future.....OOOPS ! you forgot about that didn't you...

already have done. the money saved would be able to buy a new machine a few years down the line that will still perform better than the one you suggested.

PaddyG 06.10.2011 16:19

Thinking of throwing in a mobo/CPU/ram/gpu upgrade myself. Is it always recommended to reinstall the OS? I have done in the past, but it is such a pita.

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 16:20

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367045)
3.2 on air, thats going to be too loud to play Phil, it will drive the OP nuts. You must be deaf to suggest that lol

http://www.anandtech.com/print/2485

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 16:20

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1367055)
Thinking of throwing in a mobo/CPU/ram/gpu upgrade myself. Is it always recommended to reinstall the OS? I have done in the past, but it is such a pita.

if you run windows, it's too much of a pain not to re-install.

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 16:26

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 1367030)
Completely agree with Phil here. A Q6600 is still a very capable processor and when combined with a decent GPU will play just about anything you can throw at it. From the sounds of it, the Windows iinstall and slow HD are the culprit here.

Simply reinstall WIndows and upgrade to a new graphics card (I also reccommend a GTX560, checking your power supply is up to the task) and you will be good to go, without the hassle and expense of getting a completely new PC.

It's ancient. It's a Geeks dream, overclocked and loud. It wont scale up to the next gen GPU , it's power hungry etc.

I am sure, given the budget, the OP would prefer something more ...

a) Quieter
b) Scaleable
c) Cheaper to run
d) A greater degree of Future-proofing.
e) Uses modern Intel features such as QPI
f) Can take advantage of faster memory
g) Can be overclocked 50% more than the 6600 and still remain stable on air.

I mean the list goes on an on...

If the OP presented me with a budget of 500, then I would lower my standards and consider Phil's option - but why ? Saving that 500CHF is false economy as it will have to be upgraded again real soon , and the investment wasted as the OP must eventually get on to the iX processors etc.

It's easy to geek it up and show off about saving, but in the real world , the geek case falls down outside of the geeks lab. It shows no consideration for usability.

Who wants an old loud unreliable gaming rig ? Not me , my solution given the OP's budget , is simply far superior , much more elegant and makes much better financial sense.

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 16:37

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367060)

...and how loud on on overclocked Q6600 at 3.2GHz ?

Much much louder....

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 16:40

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1367055)
Thinking of throwing in a mobo/CPU/ram/gpu upgrade myself. Is it always recommended to reinstall the OS? I have done in the past, but it is such a pita.

No, if your system is fine now , the OS will simply want to check the license again, load new Graphics drivers and System drivers for the new MB SATA/NIC/USB3 devices etc. Have them all ready, be prepared to reboot a few times and you should be good to go.

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 16:42

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367049)
already have done. the money saved would be able to buy a new machine a few years down the line that will still perform better than the one you suggested.

Rubbish ! Prove that please.

J_T 06.10.2011 16:46

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I build my own, however from what I've seen, the assembled offers are full of cut corners, 2GB vs. 8GB, the 530 vs. the 560 alone are major cuts. I do a face-palm genuflect ten times every time I open a such box to help out a friend...plus the wads of dust and spider nets. :D Mr. Hatter has indeed conjured up quality guts.

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 16:47

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367087)
...and how loud on on overclocked Q6600 at 3.2GHz ?

Much much louder....

can't you read?? it's 19dB(A) at maximum speed, which means that in practice, it can be considered silent as this will be lower than the noise of the other components in the system.

swisscathal 06.10.2011 16:48

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1366993)
The GT 530 is very weak. Check out the reviews. I would argue that it not really a card for a gaming rig. It's just a plain old OEM card. Gamers steer clear. I think the OP wants a good gaming card.

The unit above has no SSD :(

However it does have an OS and LCD screen (but maybe the OP already has that)


Hi there, I have an OS and and LCD screen already yes.. I do like the thought of a new system for approx 1100chf though. any other recommendations?

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 16:50

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367105)
can't you read?? it's 19dB(A) at maximum speed, which means that in practice, it can be considered silent as this will be lower than the noise of the other components in the system.

That's on a standard unclocked chip at idle load... or can't you read ? When running on an overclocked Q6600 it goes as high as 40dBa

Are you seriously suggesting that that fan on an overclocked tp 3.2 Ghz Q6600 under load when playing games will run at 19dBa ? Please, think again.

Russkov 06.10.2011 16:53

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Originally Posted by swisscathal (Post 1367108)
Hi there, I have an OS and and LCD screen already yes.. I do like the thought of a new system for approx 1100chf though. any other recommendations?

See my last link: http://www.gamer-pc.ch/index.php?page=product&info=620

Swtich the processor to the 2500k and you've still got a pretty awesome system for ~1200. 2 year warranty, too.

I don't know what the geekier ones in this thread think.

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 16:58

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Originally Posted by swisscathal (Post 1367108)
Hi there, I have an OS and and LCD screen already yes.. I do like the thought of a new system for approx 1100chf though. any other recommendations?

You could buy that system, and invest 200CHF in ripping out the current GPU, they might even fit one for you, refund the difference etc.

It's not a bad buy, but the GPU is not brilliant, it is out of depth for HD gaming. Phone them up, get a quote on an upgrade to the 560/570/580... It might not be that much, and if your budget can squeeze to that, then I would say go for it. Digitec build good machines , offer a good RTB warranty and after sales care etc. Not something I really want to get into.

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 17:00

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367116)
That's on a standard unclocked chip at idle load... or can't you read ? When running on an overclocked Q6600 it goes as high as 40dBa

Are you seriously suggesting that that fan on an overclocked tp 3.2 Ghz Q6600 under load when playing games will run at 19dBa ? Please, think again.

wrong again. stop making things up. 19dBa is the noise when the fan is spinning at maximum speed.

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 17:01

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Originally Posted by Russkov (Post 1367120)
See my last link: http://www.gamer-pc.ch/index.php?page=product&info=620

Swtich the processor to the 2500k and you've still got a pretty awesome system for ~1200. 2 year warranty, too.

I don't know what the geekier ones in this thread think.

I think it would be about the same as the Digitec, if Digitec can upgrade the GPU. At the end of the day, it might just boil down to looks. The more conservative Piano black finish of the Digitec box , or the rather rugged/masculine Cooler Master look.

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 17:04

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367138)
wrong again. stop making things up. 19dBa is the noise when the fan is spinning at maximum speed.

That's a manufacturers claim. Do some research and check out the real world tested noise. BTW, when did you last overclock a chip by 30% and keep it stable on air Phil ? I have my setup at home running at 4GHz on air , stable for months, or I can run it at 4.4GHz on air and put up with the noise, stable for months. Both from a stock 3.2GHz and not using any Turbo boost features.

J_T 06.10.2011 17:06

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Well it is also an Asus P67 board vs. a Gigabyte Z68 board, and no SSD.

swisscathal 06.10.2011 17:08

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367140)
I think it would be about the same as the Digitec, if Digitec can upgrade the GPU. At the end of the day, it might just boil down to looks. The more conservative Piano black finish of the Digitec box , or the rather rugged/masculine Cooler Master look.


Can I have the link to the Digitec option please Im not sure which one your talking about?

Thanks

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 17:13

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Originally Posted by swisscathal (Post 1367153)
Can I have the link to the Digitec option please Im not sure which one your talking about?

Thanks

Search for 218880 at digitec.ch , their URL's are discrete and hard to link to.

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 17:14

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367142)
That's a manufacturers claim. Do some research and check out the real world tested noise.

i did. and many others have. the q6600 with the noctua was one the most popular overclocking configuration for gaming enthusiasts.

the fact that you thought that it was hard to overclock to 3ghz and didn't realise that this configuration was practically silent, leads me to believe you know very little on the subject.

i'd stick to arguing mathematics with MathNut, if I were you :msntongue:

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 17:18

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367164)
i did. and many others have. the q6600 with the noctua was one the most popular overclocking configuration for gaming enthusiasts.

the fact that you thought that it was hard to overclock to 3ghz and didn't realise that this configuration was practically silent, leads me to believe you know very little on the subject.

i'd stick to arguing mathematics with MathNut, if I were you :msntongue:

I was right, your experience is Google based, whereas mine is in the real world on my own systems. Got any screenshots of your overclocked systems ? We can compare them here ;)

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 17:27

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367175)
I was right, your experience is Google based, whereas mine is in the real world on my own systems. Got any screenshots of your overclocked systems ? We can compare them here ;)

son, i was overclocking computers before you got out of nappies :msntongue:

swisscathal 06.10.2011 17:29

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367163)
Search for 218880 at digitec.ch , their URL's are discrete and hard to link to.


and I just ask them what it costs to upgrade gpu to 560?

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 17:30

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367192)
son, i was overclocking computers before you got out of nappies :msntongue:

I am sure you have some pics to prove that...as well as some current screenshots of the systems you have overclocked. But it's all just talk isn't it Phil :D Your Googling may be up to scratch, but that's where it stops until the screenshots arrive eh ?

...still waiting :p

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 17:31

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Originally Posted by swisscathal (Post 1367194)
and I just ask them what it costs to upgrade gpu to 560?

Try all 3 options 560/570/580 , all are fine , each will be progressively more expensive. If they are reluctant to upgrade, see if they can discount the existing card , quote for a new card , and install it yourself. Warranty minefield though.... Push them for a swap to a GTX560 !

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 17:41

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367197)
I am sure you have some pics to prove that...as well as some current screenshots of the systems you have overclocked. But it's all just talk isn't it Phil :D Your Googling may be up to scratch, but that's where it stops until the screenshots arrive eh ?

...still waiting :p

let's see your screenshots...

swisscathal 06.10.2011 17:41

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367200)
Try all 3 options 560/570/580 , all are fine , each will be progressively more expensive. If they are reluctant to upgrade, see if they can discount the existing card , quote for a new card , and install it yourself. Warranty minefield though.... Push them for a swap to a GTX560 !


Ok thanks for all the replies and help, really appreciate it. Ill let you know how I get on, Im sure you guys will still be arguing over whos got the biggest clock ;)

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 17:45

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367214)
let's see your screenshots...

Sure, will need to restart , fiddle with the BIOS etc , you know how it goes. First one will be at 3.6GHz,

I take it you will show me a 3.5 year old CPU running at 3.6GHz too ?

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 17:49

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took photo with camera cos i'm sure you'd claim i photoshopped if i took an actual screenshot :rolleyes:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Y...2/IMAG0492.jpg

swisscathal 06.10.2011 18:06

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Originally Posted by swisscathal (Post 1367215)
Ok thanks for all the replies and help, really appreciate it. Ill let you know how I get on, Im sure you guys will still be arguing over whos got the biggest clock ;)


Hey saga not over yet, I called them and they said they dont have a card thats compatible with the hp. I suggested the Asus GTX-560 Ti DCII 1GB GDDR5, PCI-E x16 ART:207714 but she said it wasnt compatible.. any suggestions?

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 18:17

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I have no idea why they would say not compatible....maybe just an excuse methinks. If it can run the specc'ed card, it can surely run another card of the same family. :confused:

Typical Swiss CS response though, saves them from thinking. I suppose you could phone again and see if you can get hold of a different advisor.

Phil_MCR 06.10.2011 18:32

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Originally Posted by Upthehatters2008 (Post 1367222)
Sure, will need to restart , fiddle with the BIOS etc , you know how it goes. First one will be at 3.6GHz

not got the machine stable yet? :msntongue:

Upthehatters2008 06.10.2011 18:57

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 1367227)
took photo with camera cos i'm sure you'd claim i photoshopped if i took an actual screenshot :rolleyes:

Yuck, that's just plain awful

Seriously, try and get a screenshot the CPU model etc , that could just be a new CPU running slightly higher...Also, you could be running a VM and faking it ;) Or vi'ed the file you cat'ed :eek:

...and it's only 3.6GHz :(

Here is mine at 4GHz...:D

Attachment 33472

Oh, and like your Linux screenshot, here is mine at 14GHz ;)

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