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Help with project...

Okay, to start, I've written something about this a few times and then erased it without posting. I'm really really not good at asking for help, I'm extremely uncomfortable asking for money, so that was why I erased without posting.

Some of you who are my friends on Facebook may have seen me post about a good friend who has a Rottweiler in trouble. I have a friend named Margo who has a dog named Sampson who recently suffered a back injury - he's got two slipped disks in his spine. He can move his front legs, but can't get them under himself to pull himself to standing. He can not move his back legs.

So, my friend Margo would like to get a wheelchair for Sampson which will support his weight so that he can move along and go potty more or less on his own. He is demonstrating still that he has desire to move and live and be... so she wants to do everything she can to help him do that. The problem is, Margo can not afford it right now.


I don't want to ask for money - I want to ask for imagination and thought-time. I have seen quite a few photos of doggy wheelchairs lately, some look fairly simple to make, some look quite elaborate. The thing is, I think one could be home-made for a lot less than it costs to buy one... but out of what? I was thinking the frame could be PVC and perhaps some wheels from a child's bicycle would work.

Perhaps some of the wise and intelligent and creative and crafty people we have around here may have some good ideas about what my friend could use to make one herself. Maybe some are conversant with design, and could "donate" some mind power to designing something to hold a 103lb dog?

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Old 13.10.2011, 23:33
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I love that you are doing this! There was a kitten here that was in the same situation. It was the prettiest cat in the world and I was very close to adopting it. But the vet decide to keep her.

I don't think PVC will support the weight of a Rotty for very long. Maybe you could make it out of copper pipe? They are really very easy to cut, connect & weld. Don't know if copper pipes will hold the weigh? Anyone?

How much does these doggie chairs cost? I know you don't want to ask for money but I could chip in 100f.
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I love that you are doing this! There was a kitten here that was in the same situation. It was the prettiest cat in the world and I was very close to adopting it. But the vet decide to keep her.

I don't think PVC will support the weight of a Rotty for very long. Maybe you could make it out of copper pipe? They are really very easy to cut, connect & weld. Don't know if copper pipes will hold the weigh? Anyone?

How much does these doggie chairs cost? I know you don't want to ask for money but I could chip in 100f.
Thank you miniMia

The chairs I've seen her look at start out at about $700USD, some have been quite high though (thousands).

Margo does have a donation page set up if folks ARE inclined to send money. If anyone would like it, you are welcome to send me a PM and I'll give the information.
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Old 13.10.2011, 23:50
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I'm sure you've done the same search I have... but in case we get different results, I found this page, which seems to have instructions on how to make a doggie wheel chair. You have to register to get the actual instructions, which I didn't do. It seems to be made with PVC. Maybe it's strong enough?

http://web.me.com/gbertocci/Canine_W...tructions.html

There there is this page with doggie wheelchairs in the US$350-450 range. By the time you pay shipping & taxes you're around the CHF700 mark.

http://www.k-9cart.com/K9-Cart-Dog-Wheelchairs

Send me the link for the donation.

ETA: Oh, one more. Made in the UK. Maybe someone can pick it up?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wheels-Dogs-...0076%26ps%3D54
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Some of you who are my friends on Facebook may have seen me post about a good friend who has a Rottweiler in trouble. I have a friend named Margo who has a dog named Sampson who recently suffered a back injury - he's got two slipped disks in his spine. He can move his front legs, but can't get them under himself to pull himself to standing. He can not move his back legs.
Has surgery been ruled out? Our dog had a herniated disc, it was severe, she was operated on last year, and she made a brilliant recovery.
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This is one that was suggested by another friend - it puts me in mind of a ravaged grocery trolley that had it's basket removed and the front end reshaped a bit.

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It really looks "simple" - something that could maybe "easily" be put together? (If I'm understanding the site correctly, to order from them for a dog Sampson's size, it's looking up close to $1000 - Margo and Sampson are in the US)


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Has surgery been ruled out? Our dog had a herniated disc, it was severe, she was operated on last year, and she made a brilliant recovery.
Not entirely, no, from a purely medical standpoint that is. Margo really can not afford the surgery, so is hoping to be able to get the wheelchair somehow and do massage therapy and pain management. It's all a bit bleak to me, all I can think about is how wonderful my friend is, when her life fell apart, she dusted herself off and went back to school, she's now a licensed psychological therapist. I'm very proud of my friend, she's the one I met when we both lived in Japan when we were both 8 years old - to think she's thinking it's a dream to get enough help to get the wheelchair... It's hard to think about. I wish I could do everything for her and Sampson and just make it better.
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Re: Help with project...

Thank you Peg for being involved in this.

Copper pipes, as suggested by MiniMia, are often used, for instance for compressed air piping, because they are easy to bend, which propably rules them out in this specific application. I'd prefer welded stainless steel pipes.

I think most factory-made dog wheels are so expensive because they must be adaptable to various sizes, which requires complicated parts. A custom-made steel pipe construction may be much cheaper.

There even are on-line instructions for making PVC pipe dog wheel constructions. This example looks a bit make-shift, but I'm sure there are more elegant ways to make such a thing, but for a grown-up Rottweiler I wouldn't quite trust those elbow fittings.
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Margo really can not afford the surgery, so is hoping to be able to get the wheelchair somehow and do massage therapy and pain management. It's all a bit bleak to me, all I can think about is how wonderful my friend is, when her life fell apart, she dusted herself off and went back to school, she's now a licensed psychological therapist. I'm very proud of my friend, she's the one I met when we both lived in Japan when we were both 8 years old - to think she's thinking it's a dream to get enough help to get the wheelchair... It's hard to think about. I wish I could do everything for her and Sampson and just make it better.
It's hard to believe there isn't a vet who wouldn't want to help Sampson and offer his owner some payment terms. What is wrong with the vet who diagnosed him?

Perhaps your friend should contact a veterinary school/teaching hospital. How old is Sampson?
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It's hard to believe there isn't a vet who wouldn't want to help Sampson and offer his owner some payment terms. What is wrong with the vet who diagnosed him?

Perhaps your friend should contact a veterinary school/teaching hospital. How old is Sampson?

Sampson is 10 years old.

I believe Margo has checked (and is looking further) for help with the vet bills, but so far has been unsuccessful. I'm unsure what's with the regular vet, perhaps s/he offered payment option but even still the payments required would be too high? She has been in touch with some Rottie rescue folks, it seems a case of "things are tight all over" though, avenues for help not as open as maybe they once were.
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Thank you Peg for being involved in this.

Copper pipes, as suggested by MiniMia, are often used, for instance for compressed air piping, because they are easy to bend, which propably rules them out in this specific application. I'd prefer welded stainless steel pipes.

I think most factory-made dog wheels are so expensive because they must be adaptable to various sizes, which requires complicated parts. A custom-made steel pipe construction may be much cheaper.

There even are on-line instructions for making PVC pipe dog wheel constructions. This example looks a bit make-shift, but I'm sure there are more elegant ways to make such a thing, but for a grown-up Rottweiler I wouldn't quite trust those elbow fittings.
I was thinking of the thicker pipes, like, for bathrooms. Would those still be too bendy? How easy is it to weld stainless steel?
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All I know about bathroom copper pipes is that the usually chrome-plated ones used underneath washbasins and the like are used because they can be bent by hand.

Welding stainless steel is not easy but feasible. Aboard my boat in Greece I needed a lot of welded stainless steel stuff, and it was all done in a very basic workshop in one of the tiny villages on the island. That was 17 years ago, and the joints are still doing fine.
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Peg,its so thoughtful of you trying to help your friend. I just had a quick look on some U.K websites,one was Ebay.co.uk and they have some doggy wheelchairs of different sorts for around a couple of hundred. You would need more info on wether they have one to hold a 100lb dog, but if they did and you would like me to pick one up, i will be in the U.K next month. I would also be willing to donate to this worthy cause too.
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Peg,its so thoughtful of you trying to help your friend. I just had a quick look on some U.K websites,one was Ebay.co.uk and they have some doggy wheelchairs of different sorts for around a couple of hundred. You would need more info on wether they have one to hold a 100lb dog, but if they did and you would like me to pick one up, i will be in the U.K next month. I would also be willing to donate to this worthy cause too.
Thank you Merseygirl, I've messaged my friend to find out whether having one shipped from here to her (after you retrieving it in UK) would be something she'd be interested in doing. Thank you thank you. <3
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All I know about bathroom copper pipes is that the usually chrome-plated ones used underneath washbasins and the like are used because they can be bent by hand.

Welding stainless steel is not easy but feasible. Aboard my boat in Greece I needed a lot of welded stainless steel stuff, and it was all done in a very basic workshop in one of the tiny villages on the island. That was 17 years ago, and the joints are still doing fine.
Yes. You could get it welded some where. I had steel tables made here for my studio. But I was thinking more of something that could be done at home. Copper welding is quite easy. But I guess you are right that it' won't hold up the weight.

Poor puppy. I'm all for DIY, crafty creative solutions, but I think he should get an already made wheel chair. I made a small donation to that end.
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The thing is, I think one could be home-made for a lot less than it costs to buy one... but out of what? I was thinking the frame could be PVC and perhaps some wheels from a child's bicycle would work.

Perhaps some of the wise and intelligent and creative and crafty people we have around here may have some good ideas about what my friend could use to make one herself. Maybe some are conversant with design, and could "donate" some mind power to designing something to hold a 103lb dog?
Not sure if it would be of any help, but there's a mother&baby shop that shares our work carparking and seems to dump a lot of soiled/damaged/returned prams and pushchairs in one of the corridors beneath the shop. They're generally steel-framed, and may (or may not) make a good starting point for what your friend has in mind.

It also occurs to me that they often have strapping/webbing on them, which might also adapt well.

I can have a look and a chat with them if you think this might be a good idea. In Basel, as I see you are, so easy enough to arrange a pickup. Let me know.
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Hi Peg, I don't beleive you mentioned where your friend lives, but here is one site out of the States selling a wheelchair for $400-$500. The second is a section of used wheelchairs.

http://handicappedpets.com/www/index...eelchairs.html

http://handicappedpet.net/class/showcat.php?cat=3
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Thank you all so very much for support and messages and thoughts and thoughtful ideas!

Ace1 - We're unsure as yet about shipping, just in case though, if you're up for it, maybe we can meet and I can have a look, see how creative we can be with what is available? As miniMia, I'm sort-of crossing fingers that one can be had which is "professionally" made, but I'm sooo willing to try to make one and send it if it comes to it.

jsherk - thank you for the links! Margo and Sampson are in Virginia, in the US.



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Peg, I just saw this thread.

My first collie used a wheely cart for two years, as he gradually lost the use of his back legs to DM.

We used a cart made by Eddie's Wheels, in the US. These are top-notch, absolutely fantastic wheels. Upon evaluating many others, we went with these because we felt they were far better suited to my guy's condition. The founder is himself the owner of disabled dogs - 20 years ago it was his dog's disability that prompted him, an engineer, to start tinkering, looking for a way to help his friend.

The folks at Eddie's Wheels are wonderful - they are so very helpful, will go to great lengths to help you decide if a cart is the right choice for your dog, and if so to make sure your cart is the right one for the individual.

Eddie's Wheels are very stabile, very robust.

Carts are built to individual specifications - this is quite important as an improperly fitted cart can cause further damage. However, owners who no longer need their carts often donate them back. The second-hand carts are then refurbished, and sold at reduced prices. So if there were a used cart in stock in the size your friend's dog needed, that might be a good solution.

Have your friend speak to Eddie's Wheels. I am a huge fan - their cart gave my boy two extra very happy active years.

http://www.eddieswheels.com
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Peg, I just saw this thread.

My first collie used a wheely cart for two years, as he gradually lost the use of his back legs to DM.

We used a cart made by Eddie's Wheels, in the US. These are top-notch, absolutely fantastic wheels. Upon evaluating many others, we went with these because we felt they were far better suited to my guy's condition. The founder is himself the owner of disabled dogs - 20 years ago it was his dog's disability that prompted him, an engineer, to start tinkering, looking for a way to help his friend.

The folks at Eddie's Wheels are wonderful - they are so very helpful, will go to great lengths to help you decide if a cart is the right choice for your dog, and if so to make sure your cart is the right one for the individual.

Eddie's Wheels are very stabile, very robust.

Carts are built to individual specifications - this is quite important as an improperly fitted cart can cause further damage. However, owners who no longer need their carts often donate them back. The second-hand carts are then refurbished, and sold at reduced prices. So if there were a used cart in stock in the size your friend's dog needed, that might be a good solution.

Have your friend speak to Eddie's Wheels. I am a huge fan - their cart gave my boy two extra very happy active years.

http://www.eddieswheels.com

Thank you Meloncollie! I passed along the message and link to Margo.
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First, I think it's wonderful that you are rallying support for Sampson, Ms. Peg A. You really are such a selfless person.

I'm befuddled what vet in Virginia doesn't want to offer reasonable payment terms. Vets perform expensive surgeries all the time, and people increasingly cannot afford them. (where I used to spit at it, pet health insurance really is becoming a better and better idea -- but gotta enroll when they're puppies!)

Wheelchairs will help him to mobilize around the symptom, but it won't treat the problem.

Has Margo looked into a personal loan to get the surgery that Sampson needs? Maybe one to finance the surgery and a wheelchair?
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