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End off.
As far as I know, this phrase doesn't exist in this form in English.

'End of' is a shortened form of 'end of story' or 'end of discussion' meaning that the subject is now closed.

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End of.

As far as I know, this phrase doesn't exist in this form in English.

'End of' is a shortened form of 'end of story' or ' end of discussion' meaning that the subject is now closed.
You are absolutely right. No doubt it will creep into the dictionary at some point in the future as it has slipped into common use over the years. It is basically just laziness.

It's the kind of thing that works ok when used in spoken form but doesn't really lend itself to the written form.
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BM I think you missed the quote. 'End of' is indeed accepted. I meant the use of 'end off' on EF. The double f being the bone of contention. For my part I would always use a full form: 'end of story' .
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You are absolutely right. No doubt it will creep into the dictionary at some point in the future as it has slipped into common use over the years. It is basically just laziness.

It's the kind of thing that works ok when used in spoken form but doesn't really lend itself to the written form.
Not a term that I use. Not because I think it is lazy or poor English, but rather that I'm just not a big fan of shutting down dialogue.

Having said that, I will admit to being a fan of the Italian "Basta!", while disliking the German "und jetzt ist Schluss!".

I may be incorrect, but to me, "Basta!" most often means "I won't discuss any further." whereas "end of" and "und jetzt ist Schluss" usually means "You won't discuss any further".
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Yeah, "basta" feels like "I am done", I use it to give myself giggle as opposed to shutting anyone down, something I actually think cannot be really done. It is a bit Napoleonic despite the Italian nature of use, I can see (and did) people running around "basta"-ing one another, it is humorous.

"End off" is different than "end of story", absolutely. This thread is not limited to full, pedantic sentences. The beauty of fraction and the particular choice of elision.

As per basta - I think here people say "point,fini" as "I won't waste time explain any further, it doesn't merit to take anything else in account". We say "hotovo" back home, which means "it's done" - explained. "Simples". Not as Napoleonic, it refers to the degree with which the matter has been analysed by all and it doesn't treat lack of willingness of the particular speaker to elaborate.

Pragmatic ling. is great, to watch the ways people shut others down here, indirectly and via other routes than particular lexical choice, are interesting. More covert, subtle but equally potent and manipulative.
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BM I think you missed the quote. 'End of' is indeed accepted. I meant the use of 'end off' on EF. The double f being the bone of contention. For my part I would always use a full form: 'end of story' .
Yep I missed the extra f in the quote. End off really doesn't exist in English as a stand alone as far as I am aware and I can't think what it would mean if it did. It really needs to be used in conjunction with something else in order to make any sense.

I would always use the full form (as in end of story) too. As I said in my previous post the short form isn't too bad when spoken but really doesn't work when written IMO.

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Not a term that I use. Not because I think it is lazy or poor English, but rather that I'm just not a big fan of shutting down dialogue.

Having said that, I will admit to being a fan of the Italian "Basta!", while disliking the German "und jetzt ist Schluss!".

I may be incorrect, but to me, "Basta!" most often means "I won't discuss any further." whereas "end of" and "und jetzt ist Schluss" usually means "You won't discuss any further".
I don't use end of either. It just comes across as rather aggressive to me.

I don't use "Basta" either but it does appear less aggressive. To me it's like saying 'that's enough of that, let's move on to something else' rather than 'stop!'.

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Old 24.09.2016, 10:37
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"End off" is different than "end of story", absolutely. This thread is not limited to full, pedantic sentences. The beauty of fraction and the particular choice of elision.

Pragmatic ling. is great, to watch the ways people shut others down here, indirectly and via other routes than particular lexical choice, are interesting. More covert, subtle but equally potent and manipulative.
I fully appreciate that "end off" is different from "end of" as in "end of story". But I still think that the way you, and Odile, use "end off" is, let's say, unusual.

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If this means what I think it means, and I am honestly not certain about it, then, sure, guilty as charged.
As most of us constantly learn by reading and hearing new words and many non-native speakers will pick up misspellings and incorrect grammar as quickly as correct forms, I, for one, try to avoid making too many mistakes on here.
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Inviting.

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We say "hotovo" back home, which means "it's done" - explained. "
How do you pronounce "hotovo"? Is it used perjoratively, or is it more like "Cest la vie", or "That's just how things are"? Quite often I would like a simple way to say "It doesn't matter if Citroen used a better system or material, this is a Jaguar, and it worked fine when it was new." or something similar. This is quite difficult to express without being perjorative, or rejecting someone's view, but in the example above, very often the thing that is being compared to some other mark is not flawed in the sense that it never worked at all, but rather that it has worked for 50 years and is now worn out. Replacing that part with one from some other supplier might mean that it lasts 55, or even 60 years, but that is a different issue from if the part was crap even when it was new.
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I fully appreciate that "end off" is different from "end of" as in "end of story". But I still think that the way you, and Odile, use "end off" is, let's say, unusual.
I've been told that "end of" is the shortened form of "end of story" or "end of discussion", whereas "end off" is a deliberate twist, meaning that the story or discussion is so completely over that the other person should "f off".
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How do you pronounce "hotovo"? Is it used perjoratively, or is it more like "Cest la vie", or "That's just how things are"? Quite often I would like a simple way to say "It doesn't matter if Citroen used a better system or material, this is a Jaguar, and it worked fine when it was new." or something similar. This is quite difficult to express without being perjorative, or rejecting someone's view, but in the example above, very often the thing that is being compared to some other mark is not flawed in the sense that it never worked at all, but rather that it has worked for 50 years and is now worn out. Replacing that part with one from some other supplier might mean that it lasts 55, or even 60 years, but that is a different issue from if the part was crap even when it was new.
Hotovo [hohtohvoh] - is a perfect passive participle. That's the beauty of grammar, no pejorative needed at all. Czechs are too stoic, anyways, to stoop down to pejoratives or sandpit squabbles. It means "done". As in, the subject matter isn't so complicated and not worth digging in any further. It shows zero motivation from the speaker's point to offend, merely that he thinks the problem isn't as complex as it seems. "A hotovo." is more an invitation to close up an unnecessary dilemma.

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