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Boeing’s bang on the money 4 28.57%
Airbus makes a bigger bang for your buck 2 14.29%
You should be ashamed of yourself for flying, you-you-you capitalist pig! 3 21.43%
Meh, I just want to get where I am going 5 35.71%
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Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

So Boeing finally got their dreamliner up (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15456914).

While I am a EU boy, and would like to see Airbus do well, I think that Boeing is more accurate in its estimation of what the market will want: faster, smaller (relative to the A380) more fuel efficient aircraft flying point-to-point rather than hubs.

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Old 26.10.2011, 14:45
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

The trains were always nicer ( longer, bigger, cheaper, better view etc. )
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Old 26.10.2011, 14:46
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

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The trains were always nicer ( longer, bigger, cheaper, better view etc. )


Didn't realise there was a train between Japan and America...

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Old 26.10.2011, 14:48
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

But soon DB will be offering train rides from Basel SBB all the way to Beijing ( cargo is on by train already ).
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Old 26.10.2011, 15:05
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

What's the difference in speed? If it's enough to knock a couple of hours off of a 13 hour flight then Boeing all the way.

I'd still like a go on an A380 (preferable in first class) just 'cos of the sheer size. But that's just a novelty thing. Sat in a cramped seat, it doesn't help that there's another 500 suckers sat there with you, I'd rather land that bit earlier.

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But soon DB will be offering train rides from Basel SBB all the way to Beijing ( cargo is on by train already ).
So that's where he's got to.
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Old 26.10.2011, 15:16
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

The B.787 has been flying for years now, it's just about to enter service with All Nippon, not a comparable airplane to the 380. One is for long thin routes, the other for medium to medium-long hub-to-hub mass transportation.

Better comparison would be B.787 vs A350.

Or even why the 747-8 is selling like homegrown vegetables from Fukushima?
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Old 26.10.2011, 15:23
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The B.787 has been flying for years now, it's just about to enter service with All Nippon, not a comparable airplane to the 380. One is for long thin routes, the other for medium to medium-long hub-to-hub mass transportation.

Better comparison would be B.787 vs A350.

Or even why the 747-8 is selling like homegrown vegetables from Fukushima?
Sure they are different planes, but they are - as I understood it based on analyst's views from 2-3 years ago - reflections of the two company's different views on what is important.

Airbus = targeting larger volume of passengers

Boeing = smaller & faster

The range of the two aircraft is comparable - some 300 km, which in flight terms is peanuts given the safety margins they have to build in, oder?
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Old 26.10.2011, 15:42
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

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The range of the two aircraft is comparable - some 300 km, which in flight terms is peanuts given the safety margins they have to build in, oder?
That might just get them to Innsbruck from ZRH then....
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Old 26.10.2011, 15:51
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

Put me in a big plane...
Put me in a small plane...
Put me in a newer plane...
Put me in an older plane...
Put me in an American plane...
Put me in a Euro plane...

...As long as it gets me there safely and quickest!
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Old 26.10.2011, 15:59
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

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So that's where he's got to.
You beat me....damn you

When I read this morning that the first Dreamliner was three years late, I thought "I didn't kow Ryanair had bought one"

(pathetic, i know)
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Old 26.10.2011, 16:10
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

Assassin, sure, but we are talking long distance, so it depends on your starting point, doesn't it.

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You beat me....damn you

When I read this morning that the first Dreamliner was three years late, I thought "I didn't kow Ryanair had bought one"

(pathetic, i know)
Boom tish...

But seriously, the A380 was late too.
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Old 26.10.2011, 16:18
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

What exactly is the benefit to the customer? Whether its the Dreamliner or A380, what are you getting that you wouldn't get on an older generation plane? Personally I think there are bigger differences between American Airlines and Virgin Atlantic than between the Dreamliner and a 747 (e.g. you get your own TV screen and edible food on Virgin)
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

Do you choose the destination and then choose the plane? Personally I choose the destination and then the ticket. I don't care at all if its a Boeing or an Airbus, or how big or how fast. A big plus is if they do not serve Starbucks coffee!
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

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What exactly is the benefit to the customer? Whether its the Dreamliner or A380, what are you getting that you wouldn't get on an older generation plane? Personally I think there are bigger differences between American Airlines and Virgin Atlantic than between the Dreamliner and a 747 (e.g. you get your own TV screen and edible food on Virgin)

the benefit will be more air pressure, less headache
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

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the benefit will be more air pressure, less headache
Explain pls
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

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Explain pls
dreamliner is supposed to pressurize the cabin at near sea level pressure, so less head ache for passengers
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dreamliner is supposed to pressurize the cabin at near sea level pressure, so less head ache for passengers
i would be surprised as that would be a delta P of approx 10- 11psi assuming ISA of course.
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

I've been on an A380 going from CDG to Montreal. The plane was very quiet and I didn't get any ear popping and didn't feel any tubulance on the way. Montreal wasn't geared up for the A380 though and only had one exit for the top and bottom. Imagine 600 people with me and Mrs. porsch at the very back of the plane. Took about 30 minutes just to get off the plane!

I much prefer a smaller plane. I don't mind about TVs etc since I have my iPad anyway...as long as they have a charger for the iPad and phone I'm happy
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Old 26.10.2011, 20:35
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The internal pressure will be increased to the equivalent of 6,000 feet (1,800 m) altitude instead of the 8,000 feet (2,400 m) on conventional aircraft. According to Boeing, in a joint study with Oklahoma State University, this will significantly improve passenger comfort.[156][190] A higher cabin pressure is possible in part because of more favorable properties of composite materials.[24] Higher humidity in the passenger cabin is possible because of the use of composites, which do not corrode. Cabin air is provided by electrically driven compressors using no engine-bleed air.[191] An advanced cabin air-conditioning system provides better air quality: Ozone is removed from outside air; HEPA filters remove bacteria, viruses, and fungi; and a gaseous filtration system removes odors, irritants, and gaseous contaminants.[151]

From wikipedia
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Re: Speed or capacity: 787-8 vs A380?

A smaller plane can also mean a lower operating cost & more flexibility for the operating airline. That in turn can mean more flight options from which passengers can choose or lower-fare tickets, both of which are a win for the end consumer.
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