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Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

Sunday night I went to bed a bit later than normal and woke up at the usual 6:00 am to the blare of the alarm and cursed and forced myself out of bed. That morning I vowed that for the rest of the week I would get more sleep. I went to bed at 9:00 each of the next three nights. Yet each morning, the alarm still had to wake me up and I still felt tired and forced myself to get out of bed. This led me to think. Is 6:00 just to damn early no matter how much rest you get? Doctors say the body needs 8 hours, but I had 9 hours this week and I still have to force myself up at 6:00. Hell, I would force myself up at 6:00 if I had 11 hours. So basically I ask if the human body simply is not meant to be waking up so early?
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Old 17.11.2011, 09:11
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

The last research I read said that humans need 7 hours, plus or minus 1 hour, depending on age and fitness levels. It's also known that there are people who get up more easily than others - the population is about equally divided between night owls and early birds.

The difference seems to be a matter of what light levels trigger your hormonal shift from sleep state to wake state. For the night owls, 6am on winter time is almost certainly a tough time to be awake. In nature, we would have woken with the dawn, but that only happens after 7am at this time of year.
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Old 17.11.2011, 09:14
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

No joke, its psychological. If you 'think' you're getting up too early, you'll feel tired. You have to convince yourself that whatever time you get up is not too early, and then find the appropriate amount of sleep for your body. I personally work best on 6-7 hours of sleep (never less than 5 or more than 9, or I struggle also), but it doesn't matter to me when those hours come.
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Old 17.11.2011, 09:22
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

I agree - I've also heard/read that 7 hrs. is the optimum for adults. Much more is actually detrimental and (apparently) can reduce life expectancy in the long term.

They also say that the hours before midnight are more beneficial to the ones after.

But unless your really fatigued, I wouldn't vary your regular sleep pattern too much, aim for the magic 7 hrs. and get up with plenty of time in hand, so have plenty of time to start the day and properly wake up.

Before we were all clock watchers, people used to start and end the day with the sun and animals and their requirements.

.... and the cold, grey days don't help.
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

For me, getting up at 6am when it's still dark outside, i.e. Winter, is a killer. As the OP has experienced, no matter how early I am in bed, I am still weary and useless at 6am.

The summer makes it a bit easier because it is light and the birds are singing so it feels more like the day has begun. 6am in the Winter still feels like the middle of the bloody night.

I've often wondered about getting one of those daylamp alarm clocks which wake up up gradually by making the daylamp brighter and brighter.
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Old 17.11.2011, 09:40
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

I rarely go to bed before midnight, and wake up at 6.15 - 6.30. I've tried going to bed earlier, but a) I can't get to sleep and b) If I do sleep, I feel no better in the morning than after my usual 5.5 - 6 hrs. I think I'm one of those who neeeds less sleep. My eldest daughter is the same, whereas Mrs. G. and my youngest get off to sleep much more easily.
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Old 17.11.2011, 10:11
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

I generally get up at 7:15 on work days, regardless of when I go to bed, but I prefer 9 or 10 or even 12 on Saturday/Sunday!

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Old 17.11.2011, 10:16
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

I think it could be the fact that I have to get up maybe? On the weekend I usually don't go to bed until midnight, but I wake up at 8-9. So I am getting the same amount of sleep as I did during the week when I went to bed earlier, but I feel rested and good on the weekends. Maybe you need to get up when your body wants. What the body needs (7-8 hrs) and what your body actually wants may differ a lot.
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Old 17.11.2011, 19:42
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

I don't even need an alarm clock, before going to sleep I mentally make an image of the time I need to wake up. It just works, and this regardless of the time I went to bed.

I'd like to sleep more though, if I'm stressed I easily revert to insomnia and everything just seems to take on a different hue at 2 am.
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Old 17.11.2011, 19:45
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

I think you should listen to your body. If you don't feel rested, you probably are not. Doctors make recommendations as guidelines, but any number of things can draw on your resources, whether it is a stressful week, a lot of transition, or a physically demanding day/month. Listen to your body, it's wise.
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Old 17.11.2011, 20:07
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

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I'd like to sleep more though, if I'm stressed I easily revert to insomnia and everything just seems to take on a different hue at 2 am.
Tonight, ITV1 8.30: Waking Up to Insomnia.

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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

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Tonight, ITV1 8.30: Waking Up to Insomnia.

http://zattoo.com/view
Thanks TiMow, I missed it though.
It's what got me started on EF a few years ago.
Late night working and the total incapacity to sleep due to stress, and waking up early regardless of the time I fell asleep.
My husband and son would be fast asleep and I'd be constantly burning the night oil running on the reserve battery.
We do need a minimum of 8 hours, but.. for years, sleep seemed to be a luxury.
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Old 18.11.2011, 09:15
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

I agree it is psychological. I hate getting up before 7am I find it spoils my morning. However if I have to get up early, and set the alarm, I usually wake up 10 minutes earlier!
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Old 18.11.2011, 09:27
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

Part of the problem is that our natural sleep pattern has been disrupted by electricity. Normal, natural, primitive sleep involves a nap in the afternoon, falling asleep at dusk, waking in the middle of the night for awhile, and going back to sleep until dawn.

So, we're really not designed to sleep continually for so long and most of the world without electricity still follows this way. The continual sleep could actually be making you more tired. My mom used to do this natural pattern and I thought she was a weirdo! But she always had a lot more energy than me - and still does!
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Old 18.11.2011, 09:29
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

Or we could all just HTFU and adopt this approach:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts-e0uZfooQ&ob=av2e
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Old 18.11.2011, 21:50
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

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Thanks TiMow, I missed it though..
I started to watch it, but fell asleep (a bit boring), and slept for a good couple of hours or so .... missing Gary Barlow's concert and Ricky Gervais et al.
By the time I'd cleared away and shut down, and went to bed - I couldn't sleep.

Oh the irony.
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Re: Are We Meant to be Waking Up Early?

I started to look at one of these 'Dawn Clocks' to see if I could get a bit of a more natural way to wake up, rather than the buzz of the alarm going off. Sleep has not been an issue for me until recently, I think part of that was due to getting an injury and disrupted sleep.

I travel a couple of days of the week and get up at stupid a clock on those days and seem to pay the price after those couple of days. It does not help that like this week where someone comes back to the hotel drunk at 2am and you get woken up by them shouting loudly bouncing off the walls.

Really does not help when you then have to be up at 5am

I read that the body like consistent time to wake and thinking maybe going to bed earlier and getting up at stupid o'clock (5am) each morning.
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