hahaha---along the lines of the self-delusion mentioned above: I think I'm absolutely gorgeous! Although I am yet to find another single human being who agrees with that opinion.

I think that people wrongly assume all beautiful people know and believe they are beautiful. Which often isn't the case. Many beautiful adults were tall, skinny, odd looking teenagers who grew into their looks as they hit their late teens / early 20s. By which time they still have something of a complex about their looks and aren't as confident as people expect them to be. Not all beautiful people want to be the centre of attention, or life and soul of the party. So they are wrongly perceived as being arrogant or stand-off-ish, when infact they are just shy.

I took your question as a references to ask her the same kind, it wasn't directed at you. I don't know how you look like but in my head your are very handsome! Like your personality.

oh yes, men can be real friends...sorry... but usually, especially with beautiful women, they want to be a little more. That's been my experience and observation anyway...

Well it's very subjective I guess. In my experience and observation, I've been friendzoned by a lot of very beautiful women, so I see the opposite.

hehehe I've had to over-develop a personality to compensate for my general lack of attractiveness, and it works very well with the ladies in Canada, in Europe, not so much.

Before anything else, a Canadian women loves a man who can make her laugh, who is mature, cook, clean and share responsibilities of an household.

Ahem...

+1.

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are you implying that the Canadian ladies have lower standards?

Rats! How about 4 outta 5 and I'll throw in some Canadian football talk for free and some awesome physique? I can open any maple syrup container in the dark too ...

Depends on which standards, in terms of shallowness, and general attractiveness, yes. I've had no issues in Canada scoring long term relationships with absolutely beautiful women. They seem much more interested in intellect, humour, wit and intelligence.

Based on my observations here, the european women are much shallower, however the men not so much. On the basis purely of shallow appearances, I see many really decent looking guys shooting far below their appearence counter-parts. Subjective of course, and a generalization, not the absolute rule.

Beautiful person? What is a beautiful person? Beautiful physically? Beautiful internally as a person?

If someone is physically beautiful then they basically did not do anything to get that beauty (not talking about gym fitness here). They just got lucky so don't see why I should look up to them or be intimidated by them in any way.

If someone is internally beautiful as a person then they would have my respect. Either way I don't see why one should be scared to talk to anyone.

It's all about the SWAG anyway

You just made me snort my drink all over my computer. Where are these non-shallow decent looking guys? Because from what I've observed, as soon as a guy is aware of being attractive and has not had some meaningful life event to knock some sense into him, he is more likely than not an utter tool. Even more so if he has to work for his looks like going to the gym regularly, then he usually feels entitled to get a fellow gym bunny.

A friend of mine used to be fat, now he's lost a lot of weight and replaced it with gym muscles, well, he certainly thinks he's all that and very quick to see flaws in women around him. He is also convinced that women didn't talk to him before because he was fat, no matter how much I tell him that his whole aura has changed with the weight loss. Now they don't talk to him because he projects an air of cockiness.

Another example - back in the day when I was still a normal weight, veering on the curvy side, my then-boyfriend took me home for the first time. His (supremely unattractive, inside more so than out) brother looked me up and down and said to him "couldn't you manage to find a slim girl?". True story.

Ok, there is one guy I know who is handsome and not shallow (he confirms the "meaningful life event theory"), his girlfriend is definitely in a different "attractiveness league" to him. Guess what - everyone keeps telling him he could do better and strangers literally raise their eyebrows when he introduces his girlfriend as such to them. Ok, she's also a bit difficult so I guess that makes things worse but shouldn't he be the only judge of whether she is "enough" for him?

So True..
I really hate compliments and don't want to hear them.


I don't agree with this.
One of my Ex GF is very very BIG(she is 1.81m so you can guess the wheight) but to me she was perfect. Only my friends was in shock( girls) when i introduced her to them.

Reasons maz be different.
In some cases only horror people are brave enough to come and talk with the beauty.
In other cases bueatiful people know that they are beautiful, so they want to get everything without making a compromise. As a result thay are good for one-night-stand but not for the long relationship.
Sometimes people just think that such a perfect creation cannot be alone and are afreaud to come and try.

And third reason is that they sre not as beatiful as they seems to be for somebody. A beauty is relative. In some contries beatiful woman looks in one way, in other country that type of appearance seems unusual and even average woman is considered as a very beatiful.

I find that the people who know they are perhaps traditionally beautiful, usually are not beautiful, especially once they open their mouth.

I tend to see beauty in unusual or striking features, or a warm smile, or eyes with some sparkle in them. I once had a supervisor who I really wanted to draw. His face was just full of wrinkles, they were the most beautiful smile lines, and his love for people just shone through.

Don't fret, many men prefer a little cushion for the pushing

This is very true. I think I have been esthetically wrecked by my doc mom painter, who always pointed out the outstanding features on people as distinguishing them form the crowd being the true beauty marks. Big noticable noses on women, large stubborn foreheads, feisty look on one's face, something extraaordinary and eye catching...always loved that on folks as oposed to boring, plain albeit symetrical faces. That gets old so fast, I guess. I always had the weird, slightly un PC but realistic commentary on symetry from an artist's point of view, ratio of limbs, anatomy of human bodies, the so interesting mix of ethnic groups one can read from people's faces and entire bodies, signs of genetics on humans..It was pretty strange but eye opening, one looks for idyosyncracies as opposed to perfection. In fact, I really do think it is what one confidently does with what one's got can make one potentially trully stunning.

Eyes fascinate me. You can read the entire person in one's eyes. Fears, thought processes, kindness, sarcasm, everything..Dull look makes even the most attractive person ugly, it's discriminating to say, but voila.

Mere palate pleasing, esthetics etc. gets old, too. I love France, but the generally accepted mainstream obsession with esthetics and slight lack of substance kills me after a while. Then I close my eyes and just listen to how pretty French sounds, hahaha.

Bah. There are different cultures, so to make a comment about the entire Europe is difficult.

I would only dare to say that chicks dress more chic here , which, of course is another matter of one's palate.

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