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Old 07.12.2011, 09:47
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Website design software

What do people use? On a Mac?

I have used iWeb before - and it works - well. But I have hit limitations.

For example I want a homepage that has both a slideshow AND a blog. And I want nice drop down menus - none of which is in iWeb.

So where next? Do I have to go all geeky and go Dreamweaver?

I prefer WYSIWYG interface then spending hours coding.
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Old 07.12.2011, 09:56
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Re: Website design software

I'm Dreamweaver fan nurmber 1. It's awesome. I highly recommend it.

I was doing sites on notepad before I jumped to dreamweaver. It's like driving a cardboard car and suddenly be given a rolls royce with chauffeur...
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Old 07.12.2011, 11:54
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Re: Website design software

Yes - but it is still a lot of coding

And quite frankly I'd rather not go too geeky at the moment. Looking at Goldfish or Freeway as an intermediate step.
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Old 07.12.2011, 11:58
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Re: Website design software

Wordpress will fix it for you. Chances are your provider already provide it has a standard app. You have a little more freedom if you host your own, the plugins and templates for blog/galleries are the business.
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Re: Website design software

I too like adobe dreamweaver. I do not, however, like the cost to buy it. This link fixed that.

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Old 07.12.2011, 12:10
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Yes - but it is still a lot of coding
There are 3 views in Dreamweaver: coder, mixed, designer.

Coder is really just the code, the designer mode is without coding at all, mixed is, well, duh!

In the designer mode, you just drag, copy, and menu chose your options It's much like a "Internet site for dummies". Of course you still have to enter values for colours and width, etc, and the excess of options might be overwhelming.

But once you get hang of it, it's really wonderful I think there is even a free trial mode around.
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Re: Website design software

Or use wordpress - it is for free too.
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Old 07.12.2011, 16:00
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Re: Website design software

Friday night is - experiment night. I'll download a trial version of Dreamweaver - and MAME and Wordpress. Each will get a few hours - and I'll compare the results.

I have to convince a client that I know what I'm doing
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Old 07.12.2011, 16:16
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Re: Website design software

Dreamweaver is not a design tool...

Again this depends on your definition of design, to design a website you don't need to touch any code, you don't need to even worry about how you're going to code it. I am not a designer but from the designers I've been involved with, they either use Photoshop or Fireworks, of course it depends on what you're designing within the site, if you need to design icons etc then you need other design software etc.

Dreamweaver is used to manage, tweak and implement the design into html / css, but is also used by developers for the server side coding.

There is no tool out there that is gonna do the design for you, you have to use the tool to create your vision, vision does not come with tools, the simplest tool to implement your vision is one that is free of code and allows you to express your design in shapes, lines, colours, shades, gradients and so on.
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Old 07.12.2011, 17:07
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There is no tool out there that is gonna do the design for you, you have to use the tool to create your vision, vision does not come with tools, the simplest tool to implement your vision is one that is free of code and allows you to express your design in shapes, lines, colours, shades, gradients and so on.
I believe everyone in this thread understood what dodgy meant. He doesn't want a program to do the icons and pretty banners. He wants a program to put those banners in place.
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Old 07.12.2011, 17:26
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What do people use? On a Mac?

I have used iWeb before - and it works - well. But I have hit limitations.

For example I want a homepage that has both a slideshow AND a blog. And I want nice drop down menus - none of which is in iWeb.

So where next? Do I have to go all geeky and go Dreamweaver?

I prefer WYSIWYG interface then spending hours coding.
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I believe everyone in this thread understood what dodgy meant. He doesn't want a program to do the icons and pretty banners. He wants a program to put those banners in place.
I'm not sure where you got the banners idea from

So here we go let's try and answer the original post instead of the title:

Slideshow: can only be implemented using javascript or you can implement / simulate it with a server side technology or both. In any case dreamweaver can help you implement it but when it comes to design, you will find it's hopeless.

Blog: You are likely to use something off the shelf here, but you can also implement your own blog, not rocket science you will need a lot of programming skills and access to a DB unless you wanna store all in a file, dreamweaver is not going to help in design and will make your life easier when it comes to implementation. I would suggest something off the shelf (word press seems to be a favourite amongs non geeky types but I have no experience with it)

Drop down menus: Only implementable with the help of javascript again you can simulate it with a server side technology. Dreamweaver has someway of adding drop down menus but that's not gonna be the end of the story, you will have to style and design the rollover images etc.

Anyway good luck with it, I don't want to scare you, just start slow and keep things simple and see how you get on.
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Old 07.12.2011, 17:37
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Re: Website design software

It's obvious that people love using Dreamweaver, and it's hugely flexible and powerful.

At the same time, it's been used to create 98% of the crappiest sites on the net, and very few of the good ones.

Something to keep in mind.
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Old 07.12.2011, 18:28
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Re: Website design software

Stuff that I have:
Photos/images
Rough client spec of colours (codes coming)
Basic requirement
Mental image of what the page should look like

What I need is a tool/software that takes all that and turns into website. For example you can do some clever shit in iWeb to blend an image into a background colour - that is useful.

There are plenty of free javascript sites where I can download menus - no problem with that.

It is the putting it all together without spending days fannying about editting HTML files - which is what I have been doing this afternoon trying to put together a nicely formatted table for a sharepoint site.
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Old 07.12.2011, 19:39
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There is no tool out there that is gonna do the design for you, you have to use the tool to create your vision, vision does not come with tools, the simplest tool to implement your vision is one that is free of code and allows you to express your design in shapes, lines, colours, shades, gradients and so on.
Not so. What about Artisteer??
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Re: Website design software

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Stuff that I have:
Photos/images
Rough client spec of colours (codes coming)
Basic requirement
Mental image of what the page should look like

What I need is a tool/software that takes all that and turns into website. For example you can do some clever shit in iWeb to blend an image into a background colour - that is useful.

There are plenty of free javascript sites where I can download menus - no problem with that.

It is the putting it all together without spending days fannying about editting HTML files - which is what I have been doing this afternoon trying to put together a nicely formatted table for a sharepoint site.

Coming from a Web Design / Graphic Design background, for a basic website I typically use Wordpress with a Theme from www.elegantthemes.com. I know, its a plug for the team at Elegant Themes, but for the price, it is the best deal ($$) with nicest Wordpress Templates I could find on the web. Wordpress is super easy, uploads are fast and you don't have to be a genius or know lines of code to get a nice design that is user/customer and content friendly.

Please note that there is Wordpress.org and Wordpress.com. .Org is for people who have purchased server space/ Web Hosting from a third party (i.e. http://www.consumer-rankings.com/hosting/) and would like to design and put their own touches on a nice template or design their own site completely. .Com is for people who just want to "plug and play". Everything is set out for them, everything is VERY basic - they just insert some photos, text etc ... .Com is free, .Org is 15 USD a year + Server costs (storage space for your photos, movies and other content) which can be as cheap as 3.95 USD/month.

I use a Mac, but the templates with iWeb aren't my style. Some fantastic Wordpress Templates are on http://themeforest.net/. Remember though, you can only use many of these templates if you have Web Hosting and are using Wordpress.org.

At the start it can be a bit confusing, but once you weed through all the basics with Wordpress, things become much quicker and you will enjoy putting together and designing Websites. I believe you will find the aesthetics of these website templates and Wordpress are very nice for basic websites.

Best of luck to you and if you need any assistance please let me know.

My Wordpress site using a template from Elegant Themes: www.digikre8.com
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Re: Website design software

Weebly is quite good, it's free and uses drag and drop, templates are limited but it will cover what you need, you can also use custom code and adsense..
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Not so. What about Artisteer??
I wouldn't bother... Another jack of all trades master of none.
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Re: Website design software

dodgy, all the tools mentioned above will let you put together a site, or something that resembles a site, with minimal effort.

But it really depends on what you really want, that is, the mental image of the site you have. In order to get that absolutely right, you may need to get your hands dirty with some coding.

There is a bunch of tutorials on the net, plus most of the plugins available for javascript etc do come with some coding guidelines, so it may not be difficult to customize them according to your needs.

Good Luck.
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dodgy, all the tools mentioned above will let you put together a site, or something that resembles a site, with minimal effort.

But it really depends on what you really want, that is, the mental image of the site you have. In order to get that absolutely right, you may need to get your hands dirty with some coding.

There is a bunch of tutorials on the net, plus most of the plugins available for javascript etc do come with some coding guidelines, so it may not be difficult to customize them according to your needs.

Good Luck.
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Not so. What about Artisteer??
I wouldn't bother... Another jack of all trades master of none.
I find Artisteer useful for setting up quick navigation and pages for basic sites, and then customizing the exported code as needed. It can be a real time-saver during the initial stages of site development — and the exported code isn't loaded with all that extra baggage that those drag-n-drop apps create.
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