I was thinking and came to the conclusion, that this whole apocalypse thing is not such a bad idea afterall.

If possible I would get my family in first and lock the door, very selfish I know but we are talking survival, if someone was in there before us it would be very important to establish dominance first and take control of the available resources, you cannot rule out the fact that your neighbour could end up as your dinner, nice if they are young and tender but if they are like the old lady I have upstairs she may take up too much cooking fuel !

Your no fun, I bet you go home as soon as the landlord rings the first bell

Aside from sounding really selfish and creepy, you'd be less successful in surviving as shutting yourself into a windowless bunker makes you more vulnerable.

Our bunker has an emergency escape chute that leads to a mountain spring, otherwise I would not entertain it....

Onei, none of this is real.
It's just a normal Sunday in December.
Enjoy your evening and stop worrying.

Ah, and then on to the enchanted forest, picking up 5 bonus lives on the way...

I would call it a small wood and I doubt it is enchanted but if you crawl along this shaft http://cl.ly/0w1l1K0I14210H2M2Q1q for about 200 yards you could see for yourself...

Obviously the architect was as paranoid as I am about being caught under the rubble of a building...

Well, amusing comments aside, that wasn't really what I was getting at in that you need a cohesive community to survive as you alone cannot provide for your family, not to mention that a world where you're thinking about eating your neighbors is a place worth surviving in for the long haul. There are a lot of skills your neighbors might have, including the fat old lady who might take a long time to cook, that you need, including medicine, dentistry, etc. Shutting yourself into a bunker with a finite amount of resources says that you think the crisis will be short in nature, but if you're already thinking about eating people...maybe you are thinking longer term and, in which case, you need to cooperate with other people and build community.

This isn't going to be a weirdo free-for-all but, those folks with skills and resources should band together. If we could live alone and without others, there wouldn't be cities. Unfortunately, in modern times we've forgotten that we need each other to survive.

Wait, we're not supposed to think about eating our neighbours? Not even the tasty ones?

It would be nice to be able to predict what a meltdown would be like, then at least I could get on top of my menu.

An Old lady who offers alternative types of relief for elderly gentleman is not what I would class as a skill, but I'm not an elderly gentleman yet, I might see things differently in the future????

I started this topic not to reveal how far I would go to survive but to find out if anyone had really thought about a worst possible global crisis and if so how they would cope with it, many people would not even like to think about it which some of the replies reveal.

I would like to hear from folks who would like to discuss it, admittedly it is not the most savoury of topics but if you have replied you have obviously read threads and some you may have found distasteful (no hidden pun there) so you don't have to read on or find the need to reply if you don't want to.

It is very easy to snipe at a comment but that is not really that constructive and it can be a bit boring after a while...

This thread could quite easily have been a very interesting thread and some useful tips or ideas could have been shared, for those that like to hunt or to enjoy life off the grid especially.

Switzerland offers areas of great outstanding wilderness with an array of fauna and floral TGAOTU designed for us to enjoy, learning how to exploit that in times of need could save anyones life in good or bad times if caught 'without a paddle'...

Onei, there is absolutely nothing to discuss, because none of it exists.

Sky I disagree, please let us agree to disagree, where you see bluebirds and rainbows I see fighter jets and firestorms, it is normal to have opposing views, I respect yours please respect mine?

I do Onei, I respect your opinion.
I just think that a few more bluebirds and rainbows, not to forget a sunny calm day and a few smiles and laughs, might be nice in your world too yes ?

Even if everything changed tomorrow, or just right now, so be it.
I'll take it face on and think about it then.
Why worry now about something that most probably will not ever happen and even if it did, you (and anybody else) could do anything about ?

It would be a pity to waste precious time and energy on the ways of a world that might not ever happen.

Kind regards

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Well, what I was getting at is that you aren't going to survive without others unless you're that guy in the movies who improvises like MacGuyver and shoots like the Transporter. If you were, you wouldn't be asking these questions. For the rest of us rank amateurs, we have a choice to work with others or die trying to go it alone.

Maybe that old lady has a brother with a farm. Hard to know unless you ask before you shoot. Everyone has a resource and those with skills in a crisis will know how to bring a group together and manage those skills rather than try to go it alone.

Beyond the thunderdome....

Well, Mad Max really went a tad mad and Tina Turner ended up in Zürich.

I do not recall mentioning going it alone apart from maybe the shelter, I am not adverse to learning or benefitting from skills that I don't have, I'm no Rambo, in fact it has only been in the last few years that I have begun learning that Coop and Migros and not the only places to pick up supplies and that there is a bounty to be had if you know where to look.

One of my neighbours cooked a grass cake for me (not doobie grass) and it was lovely, something I can now do, I know what and where to find it and where not to take it, a guy in the pub showed me a very simple way to throw a stick further, not something that you need practically everyday but something that could come in handy one day.

Just two little things that may or may not be useful but I'm glad I've learnt because people shared their knowledge with me, I would never have thought about eating grass unless I could get high off it, now I know I can eat it with cream and it's very tasty..

Sky...I am a very happy man, I have a wonderful family and great friends, I don't work too hard and I really enjoy my life, the fact that I brought up a gloomy subject does not make me a gloomy man, in fact much light and wit could be brought into the subject if it was given the chance, which would be enjoyable.

I do not spend my life cowering under my bed or in the woods waiting for the end of the world nor do I eat my neighbours, in fact I was recent physio-analysed and found to my dismay that I was perfectly level headed and so practical I found myself quite a bore, although being told I was a bit of a maverick did please me..

This is the first time we have had an exchange, maybe on a different subject we might have more in common and you will see the lighter side to me??

Survivalism is like trainspotting: hugely entertaining for the select few it appeals to, but you can hardly expect people who don't share the hobby to find you anything but a bit loopy when you start rabbiting on about it.

Me, if I was expecting trouble of that sort (which I'm not) I'd talk to all my similarly apprehensive friends, find out where they plan to go as well as what useful skills they have. Extra points for stonemasonry, medicine and the ability to tell good bedtime stories.

But that's mostly because I'm terrible with names. Starting a semi-nomadic band with people I already know would be so much easier.

Other than that, I'll just point out that your summer and winter survival strategies are probably very different, and if they aren't they probably should be.

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In an open forum you never know what to expect, if a subject is not of interest to someone then you can imagine how interesting replies from those people are to those that are interested.

Usually the initial post should describe the topic, that is a good time to leave it if you cannot contribute something constructive, or if it diversifies as it progresses and touches a point where you can add something of benefit then in an ideal world you can have your say..

But...

We do not live in an ideal world so I don't expect anymore than what is posted here and return post more out of politeness than anything else.