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When did I say there was evidence of it? There is no evidence to the contrary either...we just don't know. I'd imagine a ticket inspector would know the rules far better than some British people on an expat forum...so I give the benefit of the doubt to the ticket inspector...call me crazy.
You're crazy. Do you really think the ticket inspector was following the rules to the letter? I doubt very much that the rule book says, 'be belligerent to passengers who appear to not have/mislaid a ticket, hold up the train indefinitely (with the comment, at least of couple of times, that he is being paid for his time) and, lastly, condone the behaviour of a thug who physically ejects said passenger.
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Old 14.12.2011, 10:36
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Done, PaddyG was there 1st (but my thread looked better)
Ah, but it's MY thread now

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Old 14.12.2011, 10:37
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No that's not the visible injuries. That's what the injured fair dodger says are his injuries.
..because you probably skype with him on a regular basis?


(or possibly, because it was reported by some blick-like-tabloid-magazine?)
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Old 14.12.2011, 10:39
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Watch again

You will see the guy touch the conductors shoulder.
Then you see the young guys arm from the outside...... what is happening in front we can't see.
The big guy seems to fall in front of the conductor, not push him.

It's not clear why the conductors hands are open but it doesn't suggest he is impressed with the big mans behaviour.
I watched it again starting at 1.32. The big guy clearly pushed the conductor off the train. No excuse for that.

PS: Being it's Scotland, I guess the phrase "don't get your knickers in a twist" isn't applicable here.
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You're crazy. Do you really think the ticket inspector was following the rules to the letter? I doubt very much that the rule book says, 'be belligerent to passengers who appear to not have/mislaid a ticket, hold up the train indefinitely (with the comment, at least of couple of times, that he is being paid for his time) and, lastly, condone the behaviour of a thug who physically ejects said passenger.
Where was the ticket inspector being belligerent? He told him to get off. We don't know why he wasn't sending a fine to his home....like I said...he may have refused to provide ID and an address...at which point what else could the ticket inspector do apart from tell him to get off and to call security.

What the big man did wasn't ideal but I would have been one of the ones applauding him. Perhaps you don't know of the NED culture in Scotland...but the public and just about sick of anti social behaviour.
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Where was the ticket inspector being belligerent? He told him to get off. We don't know why he wasn't sending a fine to his home....like I said...he may have refused to provide ID and an address...at which point what else could the ticket inspector do apart from tell him to get off and to call security.

What the big man did wasn't ideal but I would have been one of the ones applauding him. Perhaps you don't know of the NED culture in Scotland...but the public and just about sick of anti social behaviour.
..yes, exiting somebody forcefully from a train and causing him to bruise up his face is very social.
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..because you probably skype with him on a regular basis?


(or possibly, because it was reported by some blick-like-tabloid-magazine?)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ain-train.html

Oh I'm sorry I will trust LiB's considered medical opinion over what a newspaper reports the injured as saying
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Old 14.12.2011, 10:43
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The big man did nothing wrong. The kid had no money to pay for a ticket an no ticket...OFF
Ummm. Actually he did. That's why the police are trying to track him down.

If you think he did nothing wrong, then you are mistaken. It is called "mob rule" and if that's what you like, then do live in London and wait for the next riots to errupt.

The student did something wrong too.

As did the inspector.

The lesson here is that three "wrongs" are even less likely to make a "right" than two...
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..yes, exiting somebody forcefully from a train and causing him to bruise up his face is very social.
It's anti-anti social behavior...the double negative cancels out.
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Old 14.12.2011, 10:43
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Where was the ticket inspector being belligerent? He told him to get off. We don't know why he wasn't sending a fine to his home....like I said...he may have refused to provide ID and an address...at which point what else could the ticket inspector do apart from tell him to get off and to call security.

What the big man did wasn't ideal but I would have been one of the ones applauding him. Perhaps you don't know of the NED culture in Scotland...but the public and just about sick of anti social behaviour.
By all accounts, the fare-dodger wasn't your typical Ned, but a slightly pissed-up student. I agree he was being a little shit, but the inspector appeared to enflame the whole situation.

By the way, this wasn't just reported in the DM, but the Telegraph and Grauniad too, I believe.
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The original 'big man'
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Ah yes, that's much better....so, which resulted in facial bruises, possible bone fraction and a slight concussion? All that approved by some railway grynch?
or to put it accurately...... a scratch, a bruise, peeling of the skin, near bleeding, man-flu.

he was on the way home from a piss up, probably got beaten up at the train station
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Old 14.12.2011, 10:47
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It's anti-anti social behavior...the double negative cancels out.
See my post above about three wrongs
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I watched it again starting at 1.32. The big guy clearly pushed the conductor off the train. No excuse for that.

PS: Being filmed in Scotland, I guess the phrase "don't get your knickers in a twist" isn't applicable here.
Clearly I don't agree.

1.24
the big guy just touches the shoulder of the conductor.... he doesn't push then.
also 1.24,
watch for the arm of the young guy.

The big guy seems more to slip than push the conductor out. He is leaning in front where the young guy is.


No one else seems to have claimed that the conductor was pushed from the train...... not even the conductor.


I'm not defending the Big Mans actions here, but I really don't think he pushed the conductor, nor did he punch the kid.
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Old 14.12.2011, 10:48
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Where was the ticket inspector being belligerent? He told him to get off. We don't know why he wasn't sending a fine to his home....like I said...he may have refused to provide ID and an address...at which point what else could the ticket inspector do apart from tell him to get off and to call security.

What the big man did wasn't ideal but I would have been one of the ones applauding him. Perhaps you don't know of the NED culture in Scotland...but the public and just about sick of anti social behaviour.
The ticket collector's whole stance is belligerent - anyone can see that!

I was not familiar with NED culture. However, having looked it up, I hardly think the young guy qualifies to be part of that, being a student studying (I think) surveying.
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Old 14.12.2011, 10:48
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ain-train.html

Oh I'm sorry I will trust LiB's considered medical opinion over what a newspaper reports the injured as saying
Directly from your tabloid magazine...
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He said he still has cuts and bruises over his cheeks (pictured above) and legs.
..meaning, that either a) the injuries were much worse before (ie. possible bone fraction..concussion)..or b) the injuries are still clearly, painfully visible. Either way, it is not out of the question, that the victim suffered greater damage than just exterior bruises.

If they would write, he suffered (or only suffered) cuts and bruises, then I'd agree with you.
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When did I say there was evidence of it? There is no evidence to the contrary either...we just don't know. I'd imagine a ticket inspector would know the rules far better than some British people on an expat forum...so I give the benefit of the doubt to the ticket inspector...call me crazy.

I'd imagine the conversation went something like this

'Ticket please.'
*little shit shows wrong ticket*
'Wrong ticket'
'No it's no!'
'Yes it is, now pay for the correct one. That will be 5'
'I'm no paying for no more tickets!'
'Give me ID so I can invoice you'
'I got no ID'

*Arguing for ten minute about him getting off the train and cut to the current video on youtube*
Alternatively, call the transport police to pick him up at the next station...
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Perhaps you don't know of the NED culture in Scotland...but the public and just about sick of anti social behaviour.
Ah well, I guess it is ok then!
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Ummm. Actually he did. That's why the police are trying to track him down.

If you think he did nothing wrong, then you are mistaken. It is called "mob rule" and if that's what you like, then do live in London and wait for the next riots to errupt.

The student did something wrong too.

As did the inspector.

The lesson here is that three "wrongs" are even less likely to make a "right" than two...
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By all accounts, the fare-dodger wasn't your typical Ned, but a slightly pissed-up student. I agree he was being a little shit, but the inspector appeared to enflame the whole situation.

By the way, this wasn't just reported in the DM, but the Telegraph and Grauniad too, I believe.
Agreed.
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Alternatively, call the transport police to pick him up at the next station...
Well, you know them Scots..unless they wear skirts to breeze out their privates, they can't seem to think straight or end up hyperventilating.
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