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There really are some do-gooder post on this thread and people wonder why Britain is over run by youths who are nothing but scum………because do-gooders let them?

The boy - Zero and I mean zero respect for anyone (when I was young I would have been $hit scared of the conductor) and sums up a lot of the youth of today in the UK. Zero respect for the conductor or any of the passengers, including young children, deserved to be thrown off the train, he will certainly buy a ticket next time.

The conductor – ‘Caused’ this to escalate in my opinion, he should have radioed ahead and had the police waiting. However, it would not surprise me if Scotrail conductors have been told to make a big deal of situations like this and hope the embarrassment gets them off the train as there are no police resources to deal with the situation.

The 'Big Man' - I wish there were more like him in Britain, maybe we would have a bit more respect for adults. However, I do think he took it too far once the boy was off the train, he could have prevented him getting back on without literally throwing him off.

As for the follow up, police have better things to do with their time than deal with this and it really would be a win for the ‘other planet’ if this guy is charged.
Scotrail - need to review how the conductor dealt with this.
The 'Big Man' - Don't take things to far next time.
The boy - he will get over it, I am sure he has had worse. Learn to respect adults and those around you, drunk or not and you will not get thrown off a train. Oh and make sure you have the right ticket next time.

It’s all about respect and sadly there is a severe lack of it from Britain's youths.
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The only reason for me posting the comments is to show he's hardly distraught over the whole incident like he's making it out to be in some of his newspaper interviews.

They aren't obviously between friends because they are PUBLIC posts. What part of that don't you get?
The guy won't start crying on his Facebook for his friends. You know that, let's be tough, bla bla la.

And who cares if he is showing off? It doesn't make the other guy's behavior more acceptable because this one may be a jerk.
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There really are some do-gooder post on this thread and people wonder why Britain is over run by youths who are nothing but scum………because do-gooders let them?
No, no, no. Thugs, violent bullies, needless violence, etc, should all be dealt with appropriately, and I agree that all too often the law is too lenient in the UK.

However, this guy may or may not have had a ticket and used a couple of swear words. I would hardly call him scum.
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The only reason for me posting the comments is to show he's hardly distraught over the whole incident like he's making it out to be in some of his newspaper interviews.
I don't know many british who don't make light of serious situations, especially among friends. That's how we cope.

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Just because something is in public, doesn't mean they're intentionally trying to broadcast to the world. As to the friends, try and post a comment.
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No, no, no. Thugs, violent bullies, needless violence, etc, should all be dealt with appropriately, and I agree that all too often the law is too lenient in the UK.

However, this guy may or may not have had a ticket and used a couple of swear words. I would hardly call him scum.
Swearing like that in front of adults and children, in my book these are the actions of low life scum, drunk or not.

In my day the conductor, one of the women, someone on the train would have given me a slap around the head and told me to behave or they were taking me to my parents!
You can not do that these days because the 'do-gooders' think it is wrong, so what's happened now, there is zero respect for adults because youths KNOW they can get away with it.
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Swearing like that in front of adults and children, in my book these are the actions of low life scum, drunk or not.

In my day the conductor, one of the women, someone on the train would have given me a slap around the head and told me to behave or they were taking me to my parents!
You can not do that these days because the 'do-gooders' think it is wrong, so what's happened now, there is zero respect for adults because youths KNOW they can get away with it.
I do not condone swearing in front of anyone; however, I think to describe someone who does as scum is a bit strong. Sadly, I think the zero respect is not confined to young people and extends to more than just a lack of respect for adults.

And do you really think it would have been appropriate for the conductor to slap the young guy around the head??
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I do not condone swearing in front of anyone; however, I think to describe someone who does as scum is a bit strong. Sadly, I think the zero respect is not confined to young people and extends to more than just a lack of respect for adults.

And do you really think it would have been appropriate for the conductor to slap the young guy around the head??
Not nowadays as he would stupidly be charged, look back at the 70's, kids had respect for adults because they knew if they didn't they would get a clip round the ear, never did them any harm.
No corporal punishment in the schools = zero respect for teachers. I have still to hear about the person who's adult life was messed up because as a kid he was given the belt or a 'clip round the ear hole' because he was cheeky.
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Old 14.12.2011, 11:59
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Not nowadays as he would stupidly be charged, look back at the 70's, kids had respect for adults because they knew if they didn't they would get a clip round the ear.
Answer the question.
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Not nowadays as he would stupidly be charged, look back at the 70's, kids had respect for adults because they knew if they didn't they would get a clip round the ear.
No, they had respect because parents were taking their responsibility toward their kids and were actually raising them. Kids are spoiled and let to themselves today.

Easier to say yes than no.
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I edited my post after which answers I believe.

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No, they had respect because parents were taking their responsibility toward their kids and were actually raising them. Kids are spoiled and let to themselves today.

Easier to say yes than no.
Kids were not 'let to themselves' back in the 70's?
Trust me, I and all my friends alike would be out from 8am until the lights came on everyday back then, without having to be 'parented' every min of the day. Our parents knew we would not get into bother because back then, adults (not just parents) were allowed to give kids into trouble for being cheeky.
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Old 14.12.2011, 12:12
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There really are some do-gooder post on this thread and people wonder why Britain is over run by youths who are nothing but scum………because do-gooders let them?
You really have no idea, and this bit sums it up best.

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As for the follow up, police have better things to do with their time than deal with this and it really would be a win for the ‘other planet’ if this guy is charged.
The point is that if it is Zero tolerance, the police do need to care, otherwise you get the situation that evolved. It is precisely because the law is not followed up/back-up that people know that 9/10 they can get away with "it".

I - and I guess others here - have no issue if a policeman had stepped forward and arrested the student. And even using force if needed. Indeed, the student was a complete jerk. No argument there.

The issue is that some dimwit "big-man" steps in and literally oversteps the mark.

The one thing the police did do right (and there weren't many) during the London riots was educating owners and "vigilantes" what they could and could not do. You can protect, but don't go after people and don't throw the proverbial first stone.

Makes you think about CH rules and sticking to them in a different light... You'll note that the Swiss don't confront directly - they'll call the right authorities to deal with the situation and they then follow-up, not some "random" big-man. Many expats complain about this, but hey puts a different light on it.

If the student had physically assaulted the conductor, then that would have been a different situation. But no, some "big man" took things into his own hands and it gets messy.

Respect for the law is a two-way thing and needs to be applied uniformally to all, for society to work.
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Re: Buy a ticket...

Imagine a genuine "bad hair day".

You've had a minor inconvenience in daily life and end up in court. The case is pretty simple, you know your rights, you've been over them hundreds of times. You've hardly slept properly for weeks and you've lost weight as your diet has gone to crap.

You're really pretty worried as the judge takes her seat and brings the courtroom to order. Your nightmare is just beginning however, the jury are led out: 7 women and 5 men, less than randomly picked from the public, all EF members with an attitude and something to say.

You're going down brother .....
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Imagine a genuine "bad hair day".

You've had a minor inconvenience in daily life and end up in court. The case is pretty simple, you know your rights, you've been over them hundreds of times. You've hardly slept properly for weeks and you've lost weight as your diet has gone to crap.

You're really pretty worried as the judge takes her seat and brings the courtroom to order. Your nightmare is just beginning however, the jury are led out: 7 women and 5 men, less than randomly picked from the public, all EF members with an attitude and something to say.

You're going down brother .....
Not necessarily ... it depends who the lady judge is!!

Edit: Attitude, attitude?? Do you mean opinion?
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Imagine a genuine "bad hair day".

You've had a minor inconvenience in daily life and end up in court. The case is pretty simple, you know your rights, you've been over them hundreds of times. You've hardly slept properly for weeks and you've lost weight as your diet has gone to crap.

You're really pretty worried as the judge takes her seat and brings the courtroom to order. Your nightmare is just beginning however, the jury are led out: 7 women and 5 men, less than randomly picked from the public, all EF members with an attitude and something to say.

You're going down brother .....
Yes, but not because of personal opinion - because of the rule of law.
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The point is that if it is Zero tolerance, the police do need to care, otherwise you get the situation that evolved. It is precisely because the law is not followed up/back-up that people know that 9/10 they can get away with "it".
If you read my post, i did say that initially the the guard should have gone to the next station and called the police. I also said the guy went over the top but to be charged would again send a message to the youths of today that no matter what they do they will get away with it because no one willtouch them and there is not enough police around.

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I - and I guess others here - have no issue if a policeman had stepped forward and arrested the student. And even using force if needed. Indeed, the student was a complete jerk. No argument there.

The issue is that some dimwit "big-man" steps in and literally oversteps the mark.
I also said he over stepped the mark but to be charged would be crazy.

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The one thing the police did do right (and there weren't many) during the London riots was educating owners and "vigilantes" what they could and could not do. You can protect, but don't go after people and don't throw the proverbial first stone.

Makes you think about CH rules and sticking to them in a different light... You'll note that the Swiss don't confront directly - they'll call the right authorities to deal with the situation and they then follow-up, not some "random" big-man. Many expats complain about this, but hey puts a different light on it.

If the student had physically assaulted the conductor, then that would have been a different situation. But no, some "big man" took things into his own hands and it gets messy.

Respect for the law is a two-way thing and needs to be applied uniformally to all, for society to work.
Talk of vigilantes, the London rights, the Swiss etc is way way way over the top and has no link whatsoever.
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Old 14.12.2011, 12:33
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Swearing like that in front of adults and children, in my book these are the actions of low life scum, drunk or not.
I swear, and often have done so in front of kids, although inadvertently. Am I a low-life scum too?
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I swear, and often have done so in front of kids, although inadvertently. Am I a low-life scum too?
It depends ... how big are you?
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I swear, and often have done so in front of kids, although inadvertently. Am I a low-life scum too?
If you are being abusive and causing public disorder like he is then yes you are.
If it is during a conversation with your friends and there are children around then its wrong, completely wrong but not scum for doing it.
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