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Old 19.12.2011, 22:02
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Re: Using sexuality for professional advancement

Flirting and sleeping around can definitely bring a woman's career to the top in this country. I heard rumors that the CEO of my former company was a bar tender with no managerial skills and look where she landed.
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:03
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Re: Using sexuality for professional advancement

Our beloved TheLocal in France had recently a story about exploiting sexuality for career advancement. It was a kind of rule imposed by a boss so women had either to give in or give up their career.
I don't know if the OP meant scenarios where women would proactively use their charms and charisma to get a fast track or when they are victims like in the Paris story.
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:04
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Flirting and sleeping around can definitely bring a woman's career to the top in this country. I heard rumors that the CEO of my former company was a bar tender with no managerial skills and look where she landed.
give us details or names.
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:09
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Flirting and sleeping around can definitely bring a woman's career to the top in this country. I heard rumors that the CEO of my former company was a bar tender with no managerial skills and look where she landed.
If you think it just happens in Switzerland you must have lead a sheltered career...

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give us details or names.
Oh, come on. There's nothing like the good ol' rumoured friend-of-a-friend-urban-myth to give a thread a bit of spice...
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:10
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Re: Using sexuality for professional advancement

How wonderful for the rest of us, who just might happen to have a brain

Regardless... tis true.. these are the ways of the world.
Not sure it provides any true satisfaction though, succeeding that way, it must feel quite empty.
Sounds like a recipe for sadness
If they can handle it, so be it.. live and let live.
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:12
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Then you can start a thread asking about charisma, Ms Mod

I disagree that they are the same. Charisma is something inbuild and clear - like having blue eyes or nice hair. But sexuality is a tool to be used or not - nothing to do with sexiness
I am not saying they are the same..more that people work with different parts of their personality, just like what amaraya said. I also think charismatic people have it easier at work, and they are usually hot, but it seems as a by product.

Simple pants unzipping or lifting skirts gets old, me thinks. And has a short expiration date. If folks think it will advance them, it does show how much they truly believe in their real professional skills. I think, though, sometimes it is more complicated than that and we have no right to inquire for real info.

Charisma does not have to involve none of that yet be way more efficient. It can be so efficient, in fact, that sometimes people do not know how to handle being charismatic. I think it can totally be subconscious.
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:15
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I am not saying they are the same..more that people work with different parts of their personality, just like what amaraya said. I also think charismatic people have it easier at work, and they are usually hot, but it seems as a by product.

Simple pants unzipping or lifting skirts gets old, me thinks. And has a short expiration date. If folks think it will advance them, it does show how much they truly believe in their real professional skills. I think, though, sometimes it is more complicated than that and we have no right to inquire for real info.

Charisma does not have to involve none of that yet be way more efficient. It can be so efficient, in fact, that sometimes people do not know how to handle being charismatic. I think it can totally be subconscious.
Not every boss is charismatic, but every boss can point to the couch during an interview with a candidate for a promotion.
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... and most women with any sense would walk right out (after kicking him where it counts first)
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:18
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heehe I'd rather say: only women who can afford it!

The bad story in Paris (previous article) are about women supporting their families in tough conditions...so can't afford to loose a job.
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And I disagree! Charisma has nothing to do with eyes or hair; it has more to do with the general aura of a person.

Also, every single person has sexuality, even those who don't consider themselves as, or are perceived as, being sexy.
We are agreeing - i meant the same thing. Charisma is as much of the part of a person as their hair, their legs, their laugh etc, it can't be switched on and off at will.

And that is why I disagreed with MC about "what is hot" - sexiness and sexuality are different.

Anyway - my question wasn't about whether people with charisma get promoted, of course they do. I was more interested whether people felt that it was ok to flirt a little etc etc to land the deal, to get the contract
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:21
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Re: Using sexuality for professional advancement

he he - in retrospect, I am fairly certain that I was given at least a couple of jobs on account of how I looked. It was also made very clear to me on more than one occasion that my ( male) boss would have liked to have more than a professional relationship with me. I declined, so I cannot comment on whether or not it would have furthered my career.
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Not every boss is charismatic, but every boss can point to the couch during an interview with a candidate for a promotion.
That's true and I also believe it depends heavily on the industry. The industry I recently left was a hotbed of people sleeping their way around bosses and clients, looking to further their cause via the path of least resistance.

The top guys were all "charisma" but that just attracts the lay-dees who had all the charisma of a paving slab. Same old story since time immemorial.
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:23
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heehe I'd rather say: only women who can afford it!

The bad story in Paris (previous article) are about women supporting their families in tough conditions...so can't afford to loose a job.
well, i couldn't afford it but you can be sure my heel would be playing baseball. anyway, if you did bed down with the big cheese because of threats, chances are he wouldn't be the type to trust or respect the other. of course he doesn't have charisma- he has the power, he doesn't need it. but when you don't have the power, it sure helps to have charm...
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:24
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sandgrounder! what industry was that?
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:26
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heehe I'd rather say: only women who can afford it!

The bad story in Paris (previous article) are about women supporting their families in tough conditions...so can't afford to loose a job.
Oh please.. there are limits no ?
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:28
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Oh please.. there are limits no ?
yes...the ones set by yourself.
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Old 19.12.2011, 22:35
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Re: Using sexuality for professional advancement

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Definitely any intelligent person would walk out of a interview if the hire'r was indicating inappropriate requests. However I think a sexual assault by the person leaving would be far worse.
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Exactement - so I would walk out, whether or not I could afford it- with my head high. And find another way to feed the kids Do you really think an intelligent woman wouldn't realise that that kind of 'security' would last more than a few weeks/months (days..) and wouldn't lead to some kind of infernal down spiral?
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Old 19.12.2011, 23:18
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Re: Using sexuality for professional advancement

Flirting is fine, it's a fun game for two and pretty harmless in my view, whereas sleeping around at work is a big no. But I've never been in a work environment where my sex appeal would have increased my career. I find the thought slightly unsettling.
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Old 19.12.2011, 23:42
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Re: Using sexuality for professional advancement

Flying used to be very exiting (more leg room)nowadays I go to hooters

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