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Old 27.09.2011, 14:44
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Three random questions...
How common are artificial fragrances in food and drink? I've heard that there is a company that produces the smell that is used in McDon*lds hamburgers, so that they smell and taste exactly the same all over the world, regardless of the type and quality of beef used. I've also heard rumours about eg Nespr*sso capsules, and how they are tweaked so that the coffee they produce smells exactly the same, regardless of the water quality or hardness. How about with champagne - is the smell of that also artificially tweaked? How can a company like eg M*et produce tens of millions of nonvintage bottles per year, all smelling and tasting exactly the same as each other, and also the same as bottles from previous years?
Before a long explanation, the short answer is "very common".

Of course, it all depends what you mean by "artificial"... Legally, a flavor is only artificial if the molecule does not exist in nature. So, since chemistry is cheap, there is every chance that the strawberry flavor in your yoghurt comes from a chemical factory. You can be sure that MacDonalds use whatever is cheapest. In fact you will never find a product marked "contains artificial flavor" these days.

For coffee, it would be illegal for Nestl* to add flavors of any description to their product. Of course they use "coffee extracts" to make sure that the flavor maintains the same quality.

Adding anything to champagne is illegal. And it would be a huge, probably fatal, scandal if they were caught adding flavor to their product. I don't think champagne tastes of much anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem . I'm much more interested in the bubbles, which have a major effect on the price. An R& D director of M*et told me once that they were going to start selling special glasses to encourage bubbles.
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Old 27.09.2011, 15:55
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Before a long explanation, the short answer is "very common".

Of course, it all depends what you mean by "artificial"... Legally, a flavor is only artificial if the molecule does not exist in nature. So, since chemistry is cheap, there is every chance that the strawberry flavor in your yoghurt comes from a chemical factory. You can be sure that MacDonalds use whatever is cheapest. In fact you will never find a product marked "contains artificial flavor" these days.

For coffee, it would be illegal for Nestl* to add flavors of any description to their product. Of course they use "coffee extracts" to make sure that the flavor maintains the same quality.

Adding anything to champagne is illegal. And it would be a huge, probably fatal, scandal if they were caught adding flavor to their product. I don't think champagne tastes of much anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem . I'm much more interested in the bubbles, which have a major effect on the price. An R& D director of M*et told me once that they were going to start selling special glasses to encourage bubbles.
Also 'natural' flavours and colours don't necessarily originate from the product you buy. It just means that they are not 'artificial' as mentioned above. Your strawberry yogurt that contains 'only natural flavours and colouring' or is 'all natural' probably has other added things for colour and flavouring.
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Old 27.09.2011, 16:11
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Hi everyone, Just noticed this thread and i would like to join in. I'm a biologist specialized in cardiology and caridio-oncology. will be happy to help!
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Old 27.09.2011, 16:36
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Hi everyone, Just noticed this thread and i would like to join in. I'm a biologist specialized in cardiology and caridio-oncology. will be happy to help!
What becomes of the broken hearted?
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Old 27.09.2011, 16:54
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Old 27.09.2011, 17:00
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Old 27.09.2011, 17:18
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Also 'natural' flavours and colours don't necessarily originate from the product you buy. It just means that they are not 'artificial' as mentioned above. Your strawberry yogurt that contains 'only natural flavours and colouring' or is 'all natural' probably has other added things for colour and flavouring.
I often wonder why it is that the instant coffee I buy here tastes very different to the same brand, same jar instant coffee I buy in London. The Swiss one being better than the UK version.
I've even taken a jar of the Swiss version with me to London to see if it had something to do with the water, but the result was exactly the same.
Does anyone know the answer.............other than to stick to real coffee?
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Old 27.09.2011, 17:22
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The broken-heart syndrome is also know as takotsubo cardiomyopathy or stress cardiomyopathy. This disease is not common but is typical in people under great and prolonged stress. It also seems to be more common in women in post menopause than in men. The symptoms are similar to the Angina pectoris, with chest pain, changes in the electro cardiogram, and abnormalities in the movement of the heart walls (also called myocardium). This syndrome exist in several variants which makes it at times difficult to recognize. The causes are still unknown as well as an optimal treatment. What it is usually done is to treat the myocardial ischemia and carefully study the characteristic of each case to better manage the symptoms. Beta blockers, ACE inhibitors and diuretics are often recommended too. It is also important to reduce the stress that cause the syndrome, which is easier said that done, but nevertheless extremely important, being the main cause of such syndrome.
Just a little interesting fact. The name takotsubo is japanese and is the name of the peculiar pot that is used to catch octopuses. The shape of this pot remind the shape that the apex of the heart (this is how is called the base of the heart) has due to this syndrome.

Hope that these are the informations that you were seeking. If you have any other questions, feel free to mp me mirfield.
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Old 27.09.2011, 17:26
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I often wonder why it is that the instant coffee I buy here tastes very different to the same brand, same jar instant coffee I buy in London. The Swiss one being better than the UK version.
I've even taken a jar of the Swiss version with me to London to see if it had something to do with the water, but the result was exactly the same.
Does anyone know the answer.............other than to stick to real coffee?
Industries often adapt the taste of their products to the taste of the population. i've seen the same thing the pasta Barilla. Same brand but completely different in USA compared to Switzerland and both being different again from the one sold in Italy. It is not just the taste but the way of the past hold to overcooking. Not needed to say that the italian one is the best.
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Old 27.09.2011, 17:32
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It's the same with Coke, actually...

Wowsies, anyways....like, another inhouse wizzard ...awesomeness...

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Old 27.09.2011, 18:02
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Industries often adapt the taste of their products to the taste of the population. i've seen the same thing the pasta Barilla. Same brand but completely different in USA compared to Switzerland and both being different again from the one sold in Italy. It is not just the taste but the way of the past hold to overcooking. Not needed to say that the italian one is the best.
It's probably something to do with price too then, because I'm pretty sure my fellow Londoners would prefer the Swiss instant coffee. Certainly friends I've given it to have.
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Old 27.09.2011, 18:55
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Also 'natural' flavours and colours don't necessarily originate from the product you buy. It just means that they are not 'artificial' as mentioned above. Your strawberry yogurt that contains 'only natural flavours and colouring' or is 'all natural' probably has other added things for colour and flavouring.
Well, kind of... "Natural" flavor is a whole other can of worms. To be natural, it has to start from something in nature and chemical transformations are not allowed. So your strawberry flavor might start as apple juice that is distilled and then treated with an enzyme from yeast. Lovely . No chemistry here!

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Alright, I've got a question too that has been bugging me for a while.

What is the indicative number of people that could live on earth without famine, poverty (and closely related issues) being such widespread, massive plagues as they are now? That taking into account the current, realistic possibility of individual countries to produce or import food, to provide health care and the availability of water (which varies greatly depending on the geographical area).

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This is a fun thread - I'm a neuroscientist but also studied molecular endocrinology for my postdoc. I'd be happy to answer any questions

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Old 28.09.2011, 09:19
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This is a fun thread - I'm a neuroscientist but also studied molecular endocrinology for my postdoc. I'd be happy to answer any questions
*Looks around*
Right, since everyone else is pimping their qualifications; I have a Bachelors in Pathobiology, a PhD in Lipid Biochemistry, and have researched in muscle biochemistry, behavioural neuroscience and renal physiology. I also worked 9 years as a clinical cytogeneticist, and can still identify a G-banded chromosome, even though I haven't seen one in over 10 years.
So there, hah!

Having said all that, I've forgotten most of it. Except the chromosome bit, that's true.
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Old 28.09.2011, 09:55
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Thanks for the great answers everyone!

Next question: why do I always get vivid dreams the night after I have eaten stilton cheese, or garlic, or even raw onion? Does eating foods like this introduce weird chemicals into the bloodstream?
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Old 28.09.2011, 10:39
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Thanks for the great answers everyone!

Next question: why do I always get vivid dreams the night after I have eaten stilton cheese, or garlic, or even raw onion? Does eating foods like this introduce weird chemicals into the bloodstream?
I don't know about that foreign muck you mentioned, but Stilton cheese releases chemicals collectively known as satisfactorones into the bloodstream, the actions of which closely resemble those of cocaine, heroine and chocolate ice cream. Not only do these chemicals make you feel exceedingly good, they open a portal into another plane of existence, to which your mind may go and frolic while you sleep, returning to your body full of delightful images and notions from the Other Side, resulting in vivid dreams and a sense of oneness with the universe.

It is worth noting that Port wine acts as a catalyst for the release of satisfactorones, and is strongly recommended to ease the opening of the portal for an easier and more comfortable entry.

These things matter, apparently.
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It's 25 yards to the beach on Koh Chang, between my sea view cottage and the sea is a crystal clear swimming pool. The weather is a hot and balmy 36, humidity hovering at 87%, I am wearing light cotton shorts and a cotton T-Shirt. How many Rum's can I drink to sucessfully negotiate/patronise the pool bar without getting too drunk, so I can have more Rum cocktails on the beach and still be back in time for the ferry in two days, in a sober-ish state to check in at Bangkok Airport ?
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It's 25 yards to the beach on Koh Chang, between my sea view cottage and the sea is a crystal clear swimming pool.
It'll take a scientist to explain what you are doing on the English Forum when you've got that outside!
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It'll take a scientist to explain what you are doing on the English Forum when you've got that outside!
Paradise gets quite tedious after a while. A quick check in to EF reality is all I need to go back to it though.
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