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Really? Were you brought up on a remote desert island and only heard about dogs in last few years?
Not me, but it's clear from people like the presenter here, and others whose behaviour towards dogs leads to problems, that many people have managed to grow up without any understanding of them. And why not?

To blame such people as being stupid or lacking common sense is simply blinkered thinking, and seems an attempt to justify lack of control on the part of the dog('s owner or handler).

Yes, _I_ know that putting my face level with a large powerful dog's mouth is not a good idea, but clearly some folk do not; nor would I let my dog be put in that situation, but clearly some dog owners do
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Old 10.02.2012, 14:15
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I've raised and shown all breeds of dogs, including "pit bulls", which are the most loveable, laughable clowns I've ever met.

I've only ever been bitten by two breeds of dogs where it was an "attack" bite: one was an English Springer Spaniel. The other was a German Shorthaired Pointer -- both sporting breeds. I've been bitten by Basset Hounds while breaking up fights over food too.

There are some aspects of temperament that are hereditary, but those genetics are available in every breed. You can get a mean ol' French Bulldawg or a pussycat of a Doberman.

So... yes. I really mean it.
The dog that proved most threatening to me (having had several "mutts" growing up as well as a pair of English Bulldogs in later teens / early adult years) was a friend's little terrier who had food issues. Dog got hold of some chicken bones one day (friend had come home with a bunch of buffalo wings and left the bones on the coffee table) and we had to close the doors and stay out of the room until he was done with it. If he even saw us out of the corner of his eye he came snarling and charging.

No, thanks. Give me a mean looking but friendly dog any day over any dog of any breed that completely freaks if you try to take something from him he shouldn't have.
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Wouldnt YOU feel threatened if someone came up to you on the streets, right in your face and asked for directions?
Err, no. Should I?

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Or what if a woman ran up to you on the streets and wanted to snog you? (ok, maybe that isnt the best example..but you get my point)
Not really, no. In fact, not at all.
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Old 10.02.2012, 14:19
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I've only ever been bitten by two breeds of dogs where it was an "attack" bite: one was an English Springer Spaniel. The other was a German Shorthaired Pointer -- both sporting breeds. I've been bitten by Basset Hounds while breaking up fights over food too.
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The dog that proved most threatening to me (having had several "mutts" growing up as well as a pair of English Bulldogs in later teens / early adult years) was a friend's little terrier who had food issues.
oh god, there goes my street cred. The only dog that has ever bitten me was a toy poodle. Little fella drew blood too.
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Only if you are experienced with dogs - and she obviously was not, and had not been briefed properly. The experienced handlers should have picked up the vibes and body language straightaway and dealt with it.

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There's the problem. The only person there to handle the dog, according to the story, appears to have been the dog's owner. That would be the same owner who was cited for not having the dog properly vaccinated. If he can't even be bothered enough to comply with vaccination requirements, it is not surprising that he was not wise enough to read the clues that the dog was stressed.
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your point
Its very simple: PERSONAL SPACE.

Humans, cats, dogs...
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Old 10.02.2012, 14:23
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Err, no. Should I?



Not really, no. In fact, not at all.
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hmmmm now you're moving into trolling territory
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Old 10.02.2012, 14:25
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Perhaps one of you who knows dogs can respond to my post then. I don't speak dog. I don't like being bitten. My children don't like being bitten either.
Here's one link I found by Googling "Canine Body Language"

http://www.aspcabehavior.org/article...-Language.aspx

One of the reasons tail docking and ear cropping has been banned in Europe isn't because it's considered "cruel" but moreso becasue it inhibits the dogs' abilities to communicate. (I personally don't find this to be the case, but that's the arguement)

Dog's use their ears and their tails, and also head and body position to communicate. Just like learning some Swiss lingo... try learning some dog lingo and they won't seem so foreign.
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You can get a mean ol' French Bulldawg or a pussycat of a Doberman.

So... yes. I really mean it.
The only time I've been bitten was when I tried to defend my pussycat Doberman who was attacked out of the blue by a German sheperd that was running lose.

A lot has been said about wrong behavior around dogs. When I'm out with our camel, I have to tell people constantly: Please don't stare at him, please don't touch him, please keep your distance - not because he is dangerous per se, but you cannot walk up to a 70 kilo pony-sized dog and stare him down or put him under stress. That's just completely foolish, and many people think he is an attraction and forget he is first and foremost a dog with instincts.
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The dog that proved most threatening to me (having had several "mutts" growing up as well as a pair of English Bulldogs in later teens / early adult years) was a friend's little terrier who had food issues. Dog got hold of some chicken bones one day (friend had come home with a bunch of buffalo wings and left the bones on the coffee table) and we had to close the doors and stay out of the room until he was done with it. If he even saw us out of the corner of his eye he came snarling and charging.

No, thanks. Give me a mean looking but friendly dog any day over any dog of any breed that completely freaks if you try to take something from him he shouldn't have.
And that's not the dog's fault either. During puppyhood he'd never been taught to tollerate having things taken away from him. He probably snarled a few times and got away with it each time. In effect, the owner taught him that being an ass with food made him dominant.

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Please don't stare at him,
but it's what the Swiss do. they stare.
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hmmmm now you're moving into trolling territory
Not intentionally, I assure you. I was genuinely missing the point of SR's post. My fault, perhaps, not hers, but missing it nonetheless.
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Old 10.02.2012, 14:36
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Not intentionally, I assure you. I was genuinely missing the point of SR's post. My fault, perhaps, not hers, but missing it nonetheless.
Ok, one more time for the cheap seats at the back:

Its common sense to give not just a human, but a dog, cat - animals personal space.
Has absolutely nothing to do with whether you've been brought up with dogs or not.
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Old 10.02.2012, 14:42
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And that's not the dog's fault either. During puppyhood he'd never been taught to tollerate having things taken away from him. He probably snarled a few times and got away with it each time. In effect, the owner taught him that being an ass with food made him dominant.



but it's what the Swiss do. they stare.
Exactly!

My boy has shown genuine aggression only once, I bought him a juicy ham bone and realizing I didn't want him eating it in one sitting took it away. He snarled and I promptly gave him a little slap, told him firmly NO, and he has not done it since. In fact, I proactively introduced a new rule, rather than make him sit and do tricks just for treats, he now sits and waits for the go ahead before eating his food now.
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Old 10.02.2012, 14:49
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In fact, I proactively introduced a new rule, rather than make him sit and do tricks just for treats, he now sits and waits for the go ahead before eating his food now.
Thats a good exercise in establishing and reinforcing hierachy.

The command for my dog is "en guete".

I placed his bowl down once, forgot to say the command and went on to do something else. I came back into the kitchen 15 minutes later and he had fallen asleep in front of his bowl, food still untouched. Maybe he would have whimpered if it was a big juicy ham.
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Thats a good exercise in establishing and reinforcing hierachy.

The command for my dog is "en guete".

I placed his bowl down once, forgot to say the command and went on to do something else. I came back into the kitchen 15 minutes later and he had fallen asleep in front of his bowl, food still untouched. Maybe he would have whimpered if it was a big juicy ham.
Thats cute!

We try to do that with Whiskey but we are not constant so it doesnt work. Its not important for us so it doesnt really matter. He does know to beg for his food though :P

One thing i made sure is that he knows im boss. I can take his food away even from inside his mouth and he doesnt object. Its pretty handy when he manages to pick up something eatable from the street
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sorry if its way off base, but you sound like you are scared of dogs, and you have passed that onto your kids, if a dog picks up on that and thinks you are weak and it can dominate you then it will, and you'll get bitten. again, not the dogs fault, the owners should have more control over them.

as with most things in life, act like a victim and you'll become one.
I'm not scared of them at all. My neighbour's dog is a bit of a handful and is always jumping up - it's not a problem.

These are attacks when we didn't see the dogs until it was too late.

My eldest did have a fear of dogs as he had been knocked down a few times as a toddler by other people's dogs.

As usual -the dog lover's put blame on the people being bitten.
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Ok, one more time for the cheap seats at the back:

Its common sense to give not just a human, but a dog, cat - animals personal space.
Has absolutely nothing to do with whether you've been brought up with dogs or not.
Clearly we won't see eye to eye on this but even within human societies there's no such blanket 'common sense' as many cultures have very different expectations of personal space.

So if I go to some far-flung foreign part, I may end up offending the locals without any understanding of why. Is that a lack of common sense? No, it's a lack of education.
Actually, sounds like a lot of the posters here... Swiss people staring at them, etc.

So I really can't see why you expect that people somehow automagically understand how to interact with dogs, or why you would think it simply a question of common sense.
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I'm not scared of them at all. My neighbour's dog is a bit of a handful and is always jumping up - it's not a problem.

These are attacks when we didn't see the dogs until it was too late.

My eldest did have a fear of dogs as he had been knocked down a few times as a toddler by other people's dogs.

As usual -the dog lover's put blame on the people being bitten.
Tom, as a dog owner, I am personally not very fond of dogs jumping on me either. Dogs get excited and its the owner's responsibility to calm the dogs down so that they dont jump on strangers. They must be corrected immediately.

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Clearly we won't see eye to eye on this but even within human societies there's no such blanket 'common sense' as many cultures have very different expectations of personal space.

So if I go to some far-flung foreign part, I may end up offending the locals without any understanding of why. Is that a lack of common sense? No, it's a lack of education.
Actually, sounds like a lot of the posters here...

So I really can't see why you expect that people somehow automagically understand how to interact with dogs, or why you would think it simply a question of common sense.
I've tried explaining my point through the concept of personal space which applies for humans and animals alike, so we wont. We'll just have to agree to disagree. But I will be very interested to know which society welcomes strangers running up to you on the street to try and snog you though - I have a few single male friends who'll move there in a heart beat.
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