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Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

TV anchor bitten in the face by 85 kg dog during live show, and some people still blame the victim:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...scued-dog.html

Question: what is it with love of dogs that render some humans unintelligent?
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Old 09.02.2012, 21:30
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TV anchor bitten in the face by 85 kg dog during live show, and some people still blame the victim:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...scued-dog.html

Question: what is it with love of dogs that render some humans unintelligent?
You never never never never NEVER put your face in the face of a strange dog. Never.

That's why. Is she completely to blame? No, of course not. Some of the blame also belong with the poor reasoning of putting a dog who has been through a stressful situation as recently as Monday into yet another stressful situation by having them on the show in the first place.
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

Yes, I blame the victim and the owner.

Have you seen the video?

The dog had just been through a traumatic experience, then the owner knows nothing better than to put the poor animal in a TV studio where it will certainly not be comfortable. Further adding to the dogs trauma.

When in the studio the owner is constantly tugging on the dogs collar and the dog is looking distinctly uncomfortable.

How would you like it if someone was poking you in the face, pulling on your ears and grabbing you around the nose? You'd try and look for a way out of it too.

Sometimes people are just dumb. It's a beautiful dog and it's going to have a bad reputation because of idiots who don't know any better.
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

I'm on the dog's side, too. Unfortunately I believe this will spin the other way and encourage more breed banning.

Hopefully the journalist, if she really is a dog lover, will publically admit fault and prevent that spin.
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

Incredible act of stupidity as an Argentine Mastiff is bred to bite things. She will be as ugly as the dog after that.
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Old 10.02.2012, 11:58
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

Who (supposedly) has the bigger brain here?
Stupid woman.
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FIIK, but there seem to be a few more defenders here, which astounds me. Sure, the handlers should have known better than to subject the animal to such stress, and warned the presenter not to get too close, but how anyone could place any blame on her is beyond me.

Breeding vicious fighting dogs then keeping them as pets and expecting other humans to know how to avoid provoking them is the basic problem here.

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Old 10.02.2012, 12:16
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

I don't blame the presenter. When she was stroking him, the dog seemed in a pleasant mood, like he was really enjoying it. Personally, I wouldn't have put my face in front of his (I've only ever done this with my old dog and my brother's girlfriend's dog who is the most adorable, docile lab in the whole world) but I don't think it's common sense not to do it. I feel bad for her. The handler should definitely have known better, though.
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Old 10.02.2012, 12:18
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TV anchor bitten in the face by 85 kg dog during live show, and some people still blame the victim:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...scued-dog.html

Question: what is it with love of dogs that render some humans unintelligent?
It's 85lbs not Kg.
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Old 10.02.2012, 12:23
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Breeding vicious fighting dogs then keeping them as pets and expecting other humans to know how to avoid provoking them is the basic problem here.
Any dog can bite. Fighting is trained. It has nothing to do with the breed.
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Old 10.02.2012, 12:26
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

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FIIK, but there seem to be a few more defenders here, which astounds me. Sure, the handlers should have known better than to subject the animal to such stress, and warned the presenter not to get too close, but how anyone could place any _blame_ on her is beyond me.

Breeding viscous fighting dogs then keeping them as pets and expecting other humans to know how to avoid provoking them is the basic problem here.
That's what I thought.

So, as I am not expected to know which dogs are dangerous, and which aren't (I keep hearing on here that it's not the breeds but the owners), if any dog, off the leash, approaches one of my children and gets near their face, I'm going to assume that it's going to bite and act accordingly, and quickly.

How should I do that? A kick in the throat, or ribs, or something else?

The attack on the news presenter was extremely fast so telling the owner to control their dog is not a viable option.

I like dogs but I do not understand the thinking of some dog owners (especially some on here) when it's always someone else's fault.

I've been bitten here. My kids have been bitten. All in unprovoked attacks.
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Old 10.02.2012, 12:26
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

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FIIK, but there seem to be a few more defenders here, which astounds me. Sure, the handlers should have known better than to subject the animal to such stress, and warned the presenter not to get too close, but how anyone could place any _blame_ on her is beyond me.

Breeding viscous fighting dogs then keeping them as pets and expecting other humans to know how to avoid provoking them is the basic problem here.
Vicious fighting dog?

Here is what the American Kennel Club has to say about it:
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The Dogo Argentino is a pack-hunting dog, bred for the pursuit of big-game such as wild boar and puma
BRED for the persuit of big game. Nothing about being bred to fight.

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The Dogo is a cheerful, humble, and friendly breed; not a hard barker, and never aggressive. He loves his family, especially children.
Cheerful, humble, friendly. Loves family, especially children.

Sounds to me like a perfectly suitable pet.
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Any dog can bite. Fighting is trained. It has nothing to do with the breed.
Oh come on, you really can't beleive that? Some breeds are naturally docile and friendly, others are naturally aggressive. Sure, it may be possible to train them differently, but only with some difficulty, and some breeds are never really trustworthy.

In any case it's the breeding that gives them the build and teeth to inflict such damage, which is more the point I was trying to make here.
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BRED for the persuit of big game. Nothing about being bred to fight.
Hunting, fighting, what's the difference? The fact is that it's a huge dog that has been bred to attack other animals and with the strength and physique to inflict maximum damage to them.
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Old 10.02.2012, 12:45
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Hunting, fighting, what's the difference? The fact is that it's a huge dog that has been bred to attack other animals and with the strength and physique to inflict maximum damage to them.
Because hunting is not the same as fighting. They're bred to hunt in partnership to humans on top of that.


The Fox Hound is also bred to hunt, would you automatically call them vicious as well?


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Sure Dogo Argentino looks plenty intimidating AND is probably stronger than the American Fox Hound, that doesn't make it any more vicious though.


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Old 10.02.2012, 12:53
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

oh god, here we go again

Look, the tv woman was stupid, in fact all the humans involved where stupid

the dog had had a pretty traumatic time, then being dragged in front of camera's and tv lights etc, and having some weird human stick her face in his, WTF do people expect??

If a stranger comes and sticks there face into yours in the pub (for instance) what you going to do??

All the warnings where there, the people involved didn't pick up on them, what's the dog to do??

It's not dog lovers defending the dog either, its people with dogs, who know dogs, just telling it like it is
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

Hmmmm putting your face in the face of an unfamiliar dog....FAIL!
I blame the woman.
At some zoos you can pet lions and tigers but would you attempt to rub noses?
Dogs are domesticated animals but unless you really know the dog, its your own or close friends, and you know its temprement, then whhy would you do this?

Re dog attack: NO, do not kick it, shout or anything like that. Try to remain calm, pull the dog by the back legs, circling as you retreat away from victim and secure dog to fence, pole, tree with leash or collar. Remove victim from view
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Old 10.02.2012, 12:59
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

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In any case it's the breeding that gives them the build and teeth to inflict such damage, which is more the point I was trying to make here.
The purpose of the Dogo Argentino's teeth and build is for hunting big game - you'll need big teeth and strength to take down game animals such as the wild boar or even a puma. Just like smaller terriers were bred to hunt rodent in farm houses, and border collies were born to herd sheep - various breeds have various characteristics (how their coat is, their size etc) that allow them to do the job that they were originally bred for.

Its the humans who abuse the use of the breed, causing unbalanced dogs.

It doesnt help that certain breeds have unfairly villanized as overly aggressive and dangerous by the media causing more mistrust with the non-dog owning public. There are always two sides to the story.

It is worsened by some legislators who believe that they can protect their communities by imposing laws that restrict or completely ban dogs based on breed alone, with little or no consideration of well-mannered canines within the breed.

Alway blame the deed, not breed.
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Re: Is there something wrong with some dog lovers?

Now, there are some dogs who have something wrong. Traumatic puppyhood, abuse, improper or no training, etc etc... Sometimes there are dogs who, individually, are dangerous.

To assume that a dog that was put into a stressful situation just a few days after a traumatic experience is somehow vicious though, that's wrong and promotes ignorance. To say it was bred to fight - nowhere in that news story does it say that THAT particular dog has a history of fighting, and the breed itself was bred to hunt wild boar alongside humans, in partnership. Can it fight? I'm sure it can. Do some idiots make use of that fact? Yep there too... that doesn't mean that THAT dog is usually a problem though.
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The purpose of the Dogo Argentino's teeth and build is for hunting big game - you'll need big teeth and strength to take down game animals such as the wild boar or even a puma.

Its the humans who abuse the use of the breed, causing unbalanced dogs.
Yes, and it was humans who created it in the first place, and ensured that it was big and strong with huge teeth.
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I'd say, always blame the breeder, not the animal.
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