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Wow. If I was your girlfriend, I'd feel unappreciated, especially if you were earning more money than me.
That's funny, because the women I've dated actually appreciated it. But then again, maybe that's because I only choose to date women who believe in true gender equality and have respect for men?
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Old 20.02.2012, 09:55
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That's funny, because the women I've dated actually appreciated it. But then again, maybe that's because I only choose to date women who believe in true gender equality and have respect for men?
I'm sure that is true. Ever wonder why none of your relationships have worked out? Oh never mind.
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Re: Gender equality in Switzerland?

Let me just quote you from another thread of yours and maybe the australian women from EF could react to your way of thinking, even though with you is pointless:

"What are swiss women like anyway? I dislike most of the women here, as most of them are into the drinking/clubbing culture (as mentioned previously). They also aren't very feminine, have no class, and dress in very skimpy clothing. Of course there are a few gems, but unfortunately I've found most of them to be like this. They are also very stand offish, and seem to have this invisible shield over them saying "get away from me loser", before they have even spoken to you. Many of them have this anti-male attitude and think that all men are "creeps" or evil in some way."


So I guess this really shows issues.
Like it was said in post 205# (where you actually clicked the thanks button as well) stop the attacks. Taking post by post and attacking people is not going to give you any fans. Another post said that the thread should focus on gender matter in Switzerland. Please respect that.


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You're joking right? Go back and read some of the stuff Nil has written. I have presented my opinion in a calm, logical manner, while she has resorted to childish personal attacks, aggression and hostility. Please show me where I was aggressive?

So who is really the one with issues here? In my experience feminists are far more aggressive and bitter than men's rights activists.
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A slap from a man is capable of more injury than a slap from a woman.

Both are caused by frustration and the inability to communicate.

It has nothing to do with gender equality.
I've broken bones because I had to defend myself. Not all women are small and dainty. I also can handle power drills, have used a jackhammer and a chainsaw, have flown aeroplanes and have helped set up server rooms. I decided that I don't want guys like our Ozzie friend in my life because I rely on them, I'd rather be alone than with a guy who defines 'equal' as 'you pay your way even if you earn much less but still have to look up to me as if I was Don Draper'.
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Whose country? Nil isn't from the US - if that's what country you mean? Not that Canadians haven't gone to war but still...

Also, IF you are speaking of the US, more MEN have gone to war and died because for a long, long time, women were not permitted to join up for forward battle positions. It was MEN who made those regulations, not women.
Do you think it is fair that it is only compulsory for men to join the military in Switzerland? And to all the other feminists out there, would you have a problem if it was also compulsory for women to serve time in the military? If so, then you cannot call yourself a true feminist.

Personally I think we have two kinds of feminists;

1. Those who are extremists, anti-male, and want women to have things better than men to "make up for the past". These women do not accept the less desirable roles/responsibility of true equality, for example, compulsory military service. In essence, these so called "feminists" cherry pick the things which only benefit them.

2. The real feminists who are more balanced. These women respect men, and accept that they must also take on the less desirable roles and responsibilities to have true equality. They aren't obsessed with "making up for the past" they just want things to be equal.

It would seem most of the women here fall into category 1.

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So far as why it's so bad for women to die as opposed to men, it is because scientifically, biologically, in order to perpetuate the species, we need women more than we need men. One man can impregnate several women without any break in "service" (well, except for occasional naps ), while a woman can only generally produce one child per year (give or take a month or two) via natural means. So, if you have hundreds or thousands of men left, but only one woman, you'd be up a creek - hundreds of thousands of women but one man, you're facing some pretty ugly genetic potential, but it's still a recoverable position, theoretically speaking.
The world is also a lot more populated now (over populated in fact), so this isn't really a concern. As a result, you would think people's attitudes would change over time.
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I'm sure that is true. Ever wonder why none of your relationships have worked out? Oh never mind.
So you don't think there are any other reasons for a relationship not working out? Wow, talk about ignorance.
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Personally I think we have two kinds of feminists;

1. Those who are extremists, anti-male, and want women to have things better than men to "make up for the past". These women do not accept the less desirable roles/responsibility of true equality, for example, compulsory military service. In essence, these so called "feminists" cherry pick the things which only benefit them.

2. The real feminists who are more balanced. These women respect men, and accept that they must also take on the less desirable roles and responsibilities to have true equality. They aren't obsessed with "making up for the past" they just want things to be equal.

It would seem most of the women here fall into category 1.
Thank you, Sigmund Freud.

In order to talk about gender equality adequately, one has to be able to discuss from the meta level, which means disassociating yourself from all emotional and personal ties and being 100% objective.
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Re: Gender equality in Switzerland?

Going Dutch has a bad rap and can certainly work in a relationship, as long as you're not stupid about it and everyone's expectations are in order. It has in mine going on 5 years now. We still split groceries (which she's happy about because I eat way more), rent, alternate who pays when we eat out, etc. Although we both live way below our means and prefer to save money rather than spend it on frivolous BS. You just need to stay reasonable. If you earn more than the other person, don't blow your disposable income like a madman on everything but your partner. Being financially independent doesn't mean you have to be inconsiderate or rub it in their face.

But both have to be in agreement on it. Some of the girlfriend's more "wine-and-diny" friends almost called for a femi-intervention when they found out we split the bill for our anniversary getaway. You'd think I was beating her or something. We just laughed it off. There's nothing inherently unromantic about keeping an eye on finances and keeping things equal. I think turning a blind eye to it is much more dangerous because if the issue stays off the table too long it can bubble up and sneak up on you, leading to some really big disagreements.
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Old 20.02.2012, 10:49
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Re: Gender equality in Switzerland?

This is where it all falls apart.

From an earlier post somewhere in the mess that is this thread:

"Women CHOOSE how to be treated".

No, women don't. Other people choose how to treat them.

Hold open the door for a woman who doesn't want the door held open? Get shouted at.

Don't hold open the door for a woman who does want it held open? Get shouted at.

So I usually don't bother, as I can't hear people shouting behind a shut door. OK, that's not actually true; I look behind me and hold the door open for anyone who is close behind me.

But, basically, you can't look at a stranger and choose how they're going to treat you, without any prior interaction. Surely that's blindingly obvious?
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Let me just quote you from another thread of yours and maybe the australian women from EF could react to your way of thinking, even though with you is pointless:

"What are swiss women like anyway? I dislike most of the women here, as most of them are into the drinking/clubbing culture (as mentioned previously). They also aren't very feminine, have no class, and dress in very skimpy clothing. Of course there are a few gems, but unfortunately I've found most of them to be like this. They are also very stand offish, and seem to have this invisible shield over them saying "get away from me loser", before they have even spoken to you. Many of them have this anti-male attitude and think that all men are "creeps" or evil in some way."
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Yep, this is my personal opinion, and I know many Australians who agree with me on this. Not all of them are like this, but many certainly are.

To be fair, a lot of the men aren't much better in some aspects, especially the drinking/bogan/hooning culture.

Australia is often thought of as a country full of bogans who drink too much. Sometimes I'm actually ashamed to admit that i'm Australian to people from overseas.
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Old 20.02.2012, 10:54
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I'd say your a tightwad who's not capable of compassion and therefore not capable of a successful relationship.
One of the nastiest things I've read on an internet forum in quite a while.

Can you back up with your statement with some qualifications ?
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This is where it all falls apart.

From an earlier post somewhere in the mess that is this thread:

"Women CHOOSE how to be treated".

No, women don't. Other people choose how to treat them.

Hold open the door for a woman who doesn't want the door held open? Get shouted at.

Don't hold open the door for a woman who does want it held open? Get shouted at.

So I usually don't bother, as I can't hear people shouting behind a shut door. OK, that's not actually true; I look behind me and hold the door open for anyone who is close behind me.

But, basically, you can't look at a stranger and choose how they're going to treat you, without any prior interaction. Surely that's blindingly obvious?
Gosh darn (edited as the first version gets edited out -clever) it mate - hold the door open - some wimmins are serpents - couple of em here clearly - but you'll meet the odd jewel who makes wading through the rest of 'em worthwhile.

As me aul fellah says "they're the cause of , and solution to , all of life's true problems".
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One of the nastiest things I've read on an internet forum in quite a while.

Can you back up with your statement with some qualifications ?
It was a reaction and a gut feeling to his post. Nothing more or less. The poster has been groaning and moaning about women throughout this thread, leading me to believe he has some personal issues. I'll back off now.

There are a lot of good, decent men in this world who know how to make a woman feel good, inside and out. It has nothing really to do with gender equality or nationality, it has to do with respect, compassion, maturity, transparency and honesty. I know there are quite a few on this forum and there are many in my private life.
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That's actually not the main reason why women aren't up front when it comes to wars. Here's one that really is due to physical differences as you like to discuss. The typical female recruit is much shorter and lighter than the typical male recruit. In fitness tests such as strength, they score lower than men on average. Also, whilst both men and women are at risk of torture/violence if captured, women are more likely to suffer rape and disease as a result.
not sure why you say that. maybe this could be another example of gender bias. take a look at the article linked below.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...he-rape-of-men
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One of the nastiest things I've read on an internet forum in quite a while.

Can you back up with your statement with some qualifications ?
I choose to ignore such childish insults, as it really just makes the individual look like an immature fool with no credibility.
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Old 20.02.2012, 11:23
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I choose to ignore such childish insults, as it really just makes the individual look like an immature fool with no credibility.
I wouldn't go that far - the person admitted that it was a gut reaction - while falling short of an apology - is more than some others here can manage.

In fairness you've posted the odd irrational comment IMHO so you're no Mr.Jesus yourself.
EDIT - nor am i.
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not sure why you say that. maybe this could be another example of gender bias. take a look at the article linked below.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...he-rape-of-men
There's a habit in this thread of taking a statement about one gender and inferring that the poster is saying the other gender doesn't suffer from the same fate.

The studies in the article are talking about a percentage of men raped out of a group of men such as those in prison. Your article, as a whole, is primarily not about men vs women statistics but about men as per the quote from your article below.

"Twenty-one per cent of Sri Lankan males who were seen at a London torture treatment centre reported sexual abuse while in detention. In El Salvador, 76% of male political prisoners surveyed in the 1980s described at least one incidence of sexual torture. A study of 6,000 concentration-camp inmates in Sarajevo found that 80% of men reported having been raped." A rare 2010 survey, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that 22% of men and 30% of women in Eastern Congo reported conflict-related sexual violence."

Please keep in mind that I'm talking about people in the military front lines as opposed to all men and women affected by war in all capacities (military and general public). Since we don't normally have women up front in the military, you won't find a current study to prove or disprove the comment I made, which is based only on male rationale in the military for why women aren't on the front lines. Men also don't become pregnant from rape (consensual sex too, of course) but women do, which may (I say may b/c this is my opinion and not based on anything I've read regarding the military) be another reason for the concern of them being on the front lines.

Your article is about how men are not recognized as sexual victims of war and how internationally, they are failed in terms of adequate support and resources. It's not saying that men in the military front lines are theoretically (theoretically b/c women aren't usually on the front lines) more likely to suffer from rape than women IF women were on the front lines.

Update/edit: The OP, yourself and others may be happy to see the following article though. You can thank the feminists for their role here as it's the men who have previously dictated that women aren't on the front lines. In fact, it's still men representing both the military and the think tank in this particular article who don't support a change in laws.

http://www.news.com.au/national/vict...-1226038013787

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Re: Gender equality in Switzerland?

Watch this video where they setup a social experiment to see how by-passers react to violence against men in public.



I can't believe the woman who walked past and actually cheered on the woman physically abusing a man.

This is absolutely appalling, and the sad thing is it happens quite frequently on a day to day basis.

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Fascinating clip, but the YouTube user who posted it should keep his narrative to himself. He undermines his argument with venemous vitriol; that video speaks for itself and it doesn't need his help.
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Personally I think we have two kinds of feminists;

1. Those who are extremists, anti-male, and want women to have things better than men to "make up for the past". These women do not accept the less desirable roles/responsibility of true equality, for example, compulsory military service. In essence, these so called "feminists" cherry pick the things which only benefit them.

2. The real feminists who are more balanced. These women respect men, and accept that they must also take on the less desirable roles and responsibilities to have true equality. They aren't obsessed with "making up for the past" they just want things to be equal.

It would seem most of the women here fall into category 1.
And which type of "masculinist" would you be?
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