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Defeating the Nazis ? Ending the 2nd world war? Ending the cold war ? Ending the Kosovo war ? Defeating the terrorists in Afghanistan ?

What crisis in the last, say 112 years, have Europeans been able to solve by themselves withouth American help ? And without American sons and daughters dying in foreign countries ?

And they're still taking the bullshit from us without complaining.
The main credit for defeating the Nazis has actually to go to the USSR, when America entered the war in Europe Hitler was already losing. America however should get the credit that they prevented Europe from completely getting under Soviet rule.

The end of the cold war is more due to the economical collapse of the USSR, then to US diplomacy. And there would have been no terrorists to defeat in Afganistan, if they had not been trained and armed by the US in the cold war.
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Old 19.02.2012, 18:42
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Defeating the Nazis ? Ending the 2nd world war? Ending the cold war ? Ending the Kosovo war ? Defeating the terrorists in Afghanistan ?

What crisis in the last, say 112 years, have Europeans been able to solve by themselves withouth American help ? And without American sons and daughters dying in foreign countries ?

And they're still taking the bullshit from us without complaining.
Sigh! Sigh! How do you answer that scale of starry-stripey by jingoism?
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Where you are at, terrorist attacks on trains and buildings didn't happen because of the American intervention in Afghanistan.
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Re: When the Swiss have the audacity to bash America

Oh fun, another one of these !!
It had been a while
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Old 19.02.2012, 20:21
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So you had an unhappy date with a Swiss lady.

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Re: When the Swiss have the audacity to bash America

And another thing.

It's a good job that America acts as a physical barrier, otherwise all the Canadians would be eating fajitas and enchilidas down south and might become fat. Those Mexicans with their fake Spanish accents, silly hats and drug cartels are worse than any nuked up Iranians.

Thank you America.

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My daughter in law wont stand for that ,her nationality is Georgia south of Canada
Isn't it the Congo of Canada?
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Sigh! Sigh! How do you answer that scale of starry-stripey by jingoism?
I wouldn't even try.
But if you do try, you get a lot of thanks-button-clicks from me.
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Re: When the Swiss have the audacity to bash America

I have yet to meet any locals who bash the US at all. in fact, most of the Swiss I have met are big fans of both the US and Canada, perhaps because the locals I tend to hang out with are well-traveled and therefore less prone to the kind of insular and provincial thinking that plagues so many people (and that thinking can be found everywhere).
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Old 19.02.2012, 20:57
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I read that the average American weighs three times the average Swiss person.

Beat that!
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The only reason why USA weights more on world affairs & politics is because of its overwhelming obese population.
I think these should be given away to everyone who harps on that old theme.



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Defeating the Nazis ? Ending the 2nd world war? Ending the cold war ? Ending the Kosovo war ? Defeating the terrorists in Afghanistan ?

What crisis in the last, say 112 years, have Europeans been able to solve by themselves withouth American help ? And without American sons and daughters dying in foreign countries ?

And they're still taking the bullshit from us without complaining.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghr...prisoner_abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_killings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings
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I have yet to meet any locals who bash the US at all.
The Swiss are fine. The expats, however.....
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Old 19.02.2012, 22:01
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Re: When the Swiss have the audacity to bash America

@ St2lemans,

I guess it depends on which part of the body is US and which is Swiss

As for Canadian slagging the US, it comes with having a political elephant as a neighbour when you are a political mouse. Canada's boarders are surrounded by 2 options, water or the USA.

The term "the devil or the deep blue sea" comes to mind, we watch their elections with great interest. From what I have seen of the Republican Leadership Race.... I think I would take the deep blue sea.

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Ok I've just got to say: Why is it the Swiss believe their country is in ANY way comparable to the United States? Americans aren't the only ones who are geographically clueless. When your ENTIRE country can fit into one of our FIFTY ONE states (not even one of our biggest states, mind you), I don't think you can compare our economies, cultures, or the way we are running things. (I'm American, in case you can't tell).
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People in Switzerland learn about the USA in geography in the 7th year of school. Known also is that New Jersey (8,7mio), Virginia (8,1mio.) and Tennessee (6,4mio.) are comparable to Switzerland or Austria in size.

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I mean really: Your population? around 7 million. Our population: hundreds of millions. Does your country have any illegal immigration problems, "problem" minorities, etc. Does it deal with things on the ginormous, global scale that we do? No. You are a tiny country that is landlocked by countries that have their own functioning governments and things going for it.
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There IS an illegal immigration problem, a rather severe one, per capita more severe than in most other European countries. If Switzerland has to deal with "things" adversely affecting the Swiss economic and national interests, Switzerland cannot just send out a fleet and start bombing at a chosen time !
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Switzerland, long after 1848 was surrounded for decades by rather totalitarian monarchies and dictatorships. Mr Benito Mussolini would be delighted to hear that he had a functioning government and "things going for it"

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You are not called upon urgently by other countries for help, nor are your decisions to act or not act on global affairs discussed in great detail with both criticism (mainly) and praise. Say what you will about the United States, we have our fair share of problems, but we certainly contribute a lot more to the world than Switzerland. I like Switzerland, I just hate when they forget the sheer size of the US compared to their tiny country. Now if they want to compare Switzerland to say, Florida, I guess that would make more sense.
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No, small countries are NOT called upon for help, and so of course are not under so close a surveillance and so much under criticizm as a superpower of 313 mio people. Switzerland per capita contributes quite a lot to the rest of the world. And, again per capita, as much as the USA.
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As soon as Florida has three different and fully recognized language zones, with all three languages being official languages, and has more than 20 Cantons with its own governments directly elected by the people and with its own parliaments, and most of all SECEDES from the USA, the comparisons might begin

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Oops and before any one corrects me, the US has fifty states. I just get confused sometimes when Washington DC somehow gets counted in the number!
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Most people in the world feal confused by the fact, that the Federal Capital does not belong to any of the 50 states, but is ruled directly by the Federal government. The fact that it is as it is, is quite well known, and nobody wants to convince the USA to change this. For the Washingtonians it sure is a DISadvantage NOT to be represented in either house of Federal parliament and not to have its own state parliament.


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Well I don't mean to ruffle any feathers! I'm assuming that most people on here aren't Swiss, so I have a safe place to say these things. It's just frustrating being from a country I'm very proud of and feeling like I have to apologize for that! Everyone should be proud of where they came from. And I guess I don't understand this whole "hating of a country". I've never hated any country. I don't even hate Switzerland as a country! I'm more annoyed with the worldwide criticism of America. :/ No country is perfect politically
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> Who demands of you to apologize for being US-American ?
> What about "hating a country" ? Swiss people do not hate the USA, not at all. And Switzerland is possibly the only European country which generally was and still is PRO US-American for more than 150 years (since 1848, when the Swiss Confederation of TODAY was established)
> Perfect politically ? The USA may not be "perfect politically" in full, but ALMOST. There is a reason why countries like Brazil, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Nigeria, South Africa, India and Australia copied the USA constitution, at least in vast parts.
> USA <> Switzerland ? When the union had won war against the Secessionists in 1847/48, the USA constitution was translated into German, French and Italian, the functions of the President transferred into a 7 members group of people, and they HAD the new constitution. Two chaps per Canton in the Upper House of parliament and a number of delegates in accordance with the population the lower house. Functions to protect the smaller member states of the union and more are practically the same

Very sorry, but if you see "hatred" against the USA here, you suffer of severe bouts of persecution mania and ought to consult a soul-plumber !

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Old 19.02.2012, 22:09
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Re: When the Swiss have the audacity to bash America

Wolli, is there something you don't know?
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Old 19.02.2012, 22:22
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The Swiss are fine. The expats, however.....
Maybe, then again, who in the EU can bash on the US election considering that after 2 YEARS of pissing about, that the ECB is now planning on Greece to default and exit the Euro? I mean, really? Two years of getting paid to meet and greet each other in expensive venues, push Greece into public riots and NOW the rather credible rumor that Greece will be pushed out after COB on the 23rd of March? Honestly, no matter how crappy it gets with the politics in the US, I really don't think the EU or the Swiss have much to be all thrilled about in the way of politics.
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People in Switzerland learn about the USA in geography in the 7th year of school. Known also is that New Jersey (8,7mio), Virginia (8,1mio.) and Tennessee (6,4mio.) are comparable to Switzerland or Austria in size.


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There IS an illegal immigration problem, a rather severe one, per capita more severe than in most other European countries. If Switzerland has to deal with "things" adversely affecting the Swiss economic and national interests, Switzerland cannot just send out a fleet and start bombing at a chosen time !
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Switzerland, long after 1848 was surrounded for decades by rather totalitarian monarchies and dictatorships. Mr Benito Mussolini would be delighted to hear that he had a functioning government and "things going for it"


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No, small countries are NOT called upon for help, and so of course are not under so close a surveillance and so much under criticizm as a superpower of 313 mio people. Switzerland per capita contributes quite a lot to the rest of the world. And, again per capita, as much as the USA.
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As soon as Florida has three different and fully recognized language zones, with all three languages being official languages, and has more than 20 Cantons with its own governments directly elected by the people and with its own parliaments, and most of all SECEDES from the USA, the comparisons might begin


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Most people in the world feal confused by the fact, that the Federal Capital does not belong to any of the 50 states, but is ruled directly by the Federal government. The fact that it is as it is, is quite well known, and nobody wants to convince the USA to change this. For the Washingtonians it sure is a DISadvantage NOT to be represented in either house of Federal parliament and not to have its own state parliament.




> Who demands of you to apologize for being US-American ?
> What about "hating a country" ? Swiss people do not hate the USA, not at all. And Switzerland is possibly the only European country which generally was and still is PRO US-American for more than 150 years (since 1848, when the Swiss Confederation of TODAY was established)
> Perfect politically ? The USA may not be "perfect politically" in full, but ALMOST. There is a reason why countries like Brazil, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Nigeria, South Africa, India and Australia copied the USA constitution, at least in vast parts.
> USA <> Switzerland ? When the union had won war against the Secessionists in 1847/48, the USA constitution was translated into German, French and Italian, the functions of the President transferred into a 7 members group of people, and they HAD the new constitution. Two chaps per Canton in the Upper House of parliament and a number of delegates in accordance with the population the lower house. Functions to protect the smaller member states of the union and more are practically the same

Very sorry, but if you see "hatred" against the USA here, you suffer of severe bouts of persecution mania and ought to consult a soul-plumber !
one thing you missed, Wolli - unlike Switzerland, you can order your meal in Italian anywhere in New Jersey and be understood.
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The Swiss are fine. The expats, however.....
self-loathing. their worst mistake is thinking that moving to Switzerland is cheaper than therapy.
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Well, the economy is a whole lot better here than in America.
This has not always been that way. It still was completely the other way round into the late 1960ies. When the USA was the country to where people from Switzerland emigrated by the 100'000s. The USA went into borrowing under Mr Reagan and even worse under GWB who not only ruined the federal finances but most of all the respect and sympathy his country enjoyed in the Bill Clinton years. Mr Obama succeeded to regain respect and sympathy for his country to some extent, but not yet to cure the financial problem.

And it might be added that many European banks (noteably also Swiss banks) by badly planned businesses in the USA worsened a situation which already was a mess without them
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I mean, really? Two years of getting paid to meet and greet each other in expensive venues, push Greece into public riots and NOW the rather credible rumor that Greece will be pushed out after COB on the 23rd of March? .
That rumor is as credible as the "rather credible rumor" that was circulated last year and two years prior to that in almost identical form, claiming that Germans only request German-printed EUR banknotes when withdrawing money.

But the mass of hoi polloi needs constant rumor mongering due to short attention span.
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