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If I may say it in a different way - we don't have enough clues as the ones we have against american army - but that was not my topic.

When someone fights another who is less power than him, we may think it is immoral

When someone plays with dead body and have fun with it, this is inhuman and insane.

I have not yet seen other than the american army playing with dead people in this very hard way.

I saw serians, and possibly other war criminals over the world they are really tough but they like a lot others stops at the death of the opponent.
Your a total FAILI groaned you 3times ,seldom due so .
As for the video:First pic.-Not Americans
Prison pic.Happens about 10 years back.The army dealt with it very survierly .The girl-guard and others got jail therms and discharged from service including a general .
Other pic: US service man, helping some wounded civilians ,including in army hospital
some pic showing troops which where from GB , notice the flag

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Your a total FAILI groaned you 3times ,Sheldon due so .
As for the video:First pic.-Not Americans
Prison pic.Happens about 10 years back.The army dealt with it very surviverly .the girl-guard and others got jail therms and discharged from service including a general .
Other pic: US service man, helping some wounded civilians ,including in army hospital
some pic showing troops which where from GB , notice the flag
That is the problem, you are denying a fact - american army are doing crimes, with or without my videos all the world is talking about it.

No worries about the groan, I respect people's opinions - I am not fighting in this thread, I really wanted to have a constructive discussion as much as possible, but things are turning out in different way sadly.
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That is the problem, you are denying a fact - american army are doing crimes, with or without my videos all the world is talking about it.

No worries about the groan, I respect people's opinions - I am not fighting in this thread, I really wanted to have a constructive discussion as much as possible, but things are turning out in different way sadly.
You want to try and answer my questions instead of ignoring them? Do you think the Syrian army is committing crimes by firing on their own population? What about the Libyan army? What about the Egyptian army? Why not mention that?
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apart of google, I can write down to you 100's of independent crime done by them, lots of documentry videos available - if we don't agree on that american army did lot of war crimes that can be an issue then

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I wish american army had never done any crime, not for the sake of their reputation - we are all human, going to leave this earth and will be forgotton after some decades possibly, but for the sake of those innocent they killed for no reason - as one of them said, just for fun
A other fail well documented incident .The prisoners which where collected bye different armys (American,Canadian etc etc ),where handed over to the Afghans .Which BTW is the rules
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That is the problem, you are denying a fact - american army are doing crimes, with or without my videos all the world is talking about it.

No worries about the groan, I respect people's opinions - I am not fighting in this thread, I really wanted to have a constructive discussion as much as possible, but things are turning out in different way sadly.
But stay with facts Are you working for a PROPAGANDA organization??
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Sorry, I answered by a groan, this was my first groan ever in this forum.
There's another one for you then. Do you want to have a go at answer any of the set of questions that I've posed? You seem awfully selective in whose 'crimes' you're pointing out. If, indeed, these are 'crimes', whose military do you think has a better processes in place for dealing with them? Which militaries have rules in place which would actually declare these to be crimes and then punish them?
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But stay with facts Are you working for a PROPAGANDA organization??
No I am not, but I was not aiming to discuss if Americans are doing Army criminal acts or not, and the discussion turned into this.

If you would like to turn the discussion that way, kindly tell me and I will prepare some real facts, and will possible with get my references from CNN and other American news media as a proof of that.

Now honestly I got lost by answering all the thread - looks like there are a lot of americans in Switzerland,

Middle east is not a small region of the world - it is quiet a population, and American Armies did crimes there, and it doesn't mean that middle eastern hates what American armies did in their lands, that they hate america and americans in general, I hope you had a chance to visit some of these countries and seen how hospital are their individuals.

I don't see any reason for us to loose our energy trying to say we are the best we are innocent we are pure - I just wonder, if the pictures in the video was 10 years ago - this means nothing, it was not a single lady, there are a group in Abo Gharieb prison, and there are a lot in Guantanamo and lots more in all around Iraq, Afghanistan, formerly Vietnam and even Japan got bombed by american neuclear bombs.

Again, I am not opening a thread to fight americans, I got really affected by what I have seen, it is very hard to kill or even to just hurt or bother somebody - what was shown was extra hard, I don't need to prove that there are more - because even it is not nice to discover more crimes from such type.

But if you really insist and would like to know if american army did crimes, I can prepare a better planned post with different individual links about what they have done recently - this kind of information sadly we read in our news every day.
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Old 25.02.2012, 19:58
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No I am not, but I was not aiming to discuss if Americans are doing Army criminal acts or not, and the discussion turned into this.

If you would like to turn the discussion that way, kindly tell me and I will prepare some real facts, and will possible with get my references from CNN and other American news media as a proof of that.

Now honestly I got lost by answering all the thread - looks like there are a lot of americans in Switzerland,

Middle east is not a small region of the world - it is quiet a population, and American Armies did crimes there, and it doesn't mean that middle eastern hates what American armies did in their lands, that they hate america and americans in general, I hope you had a chance to visit some of these countries and seen how hospital are their individuals. Then we can go onto, say, how the Russians behaved in Afghanistan or Checnya, or how the Chechens behaved in Moscow, etc etc ad nauseum

I don't see any reason for us to loose our energy trying to say we are the best we are innocent we are pure - I just wonder, if the pictures in the video was 10 years ago - this means nothing, it was not a single lady, there are a group in Abo Gharieb prison, and there are a lot in Guantanamo and lots more in all around Iraq, Afghanistan, formerly Vietnam and even Japan got bombed by american neuclear bombs.

Again, I am not opening a thread to fight americans, I got really affected by what I have seen, it is very hard to kill or even to just hurt or bother somebody - what was shown was extra hard, I don't need to prove that there are more - because even it is not nice to discover more crimes from such type.

But if you really insist and would like to know if american army did crimes, I can prepare a better planned post with different individual links about what they have done recently - this kind of information sadly we read in our news every day.
Since you're not trying to bag on Americans, let's talk about less than savory behavior from your country's military. You start since you seem to know a lot about such things and you don't list your home country. You don't seem to want a discussion, you seem to want people to agree with you.
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No I am not, but I was not aiming to discuss if Americans are doing Army criminal acts or not, and the discussion turned into this.

If you would like to turn the discussion that way, kindly tell me and I will prepare some real facts, and will possible with get my references from CNN and other American news media as a proof of that.

Now honestly I got lost by answering all the thread - looks like there are a lot of americans in Switzerland,

Middle east is not a small region of the world - it is quiet a population, and American Armies did crimes there, and it doesn't mean that middle eastern hates what American armies did in their lands, that they hate america and americans in general, I hope you had a chance to visit some of these countries and seen how hospital are their individuals.

I don't see any reason for us to loose our energy trying to say we are the best we are innocent we are pure - I just wonder, if the pictures in the video was 10 years ago - this means nothing, it was not a single lady, there are a group in Abo Gharieb prison, and there are a lot in Guantanamo and lots more in all around Iraq, Afghanistan, formerly Vietnam and even Japan got bombed by american neuclear bombs.

Again, I am not opening a thread to fight americans, I got really affected by what I have seen, it is very hard to kill or even to just hurt or bother somebody - what was shown was extra hard, I don't need to prove that there are more - because even it is not nice to discover more crimes from such type.

But if you really insist and would like to know if american army did crimes, I can prepare a better planned post with different individual links about what they have done recently - this kind of information sadly we read in our news every day.
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There's another one for you then. Do you want to have a go at answer any of the set of questions that I've posed? You seem awfully selective in whose 'crimes' you're pointing out. If, indeed, these are 'crimes', whose military do you think has a better processes in place for dealing with them? Which militaries have rules in place which would actually declare these to be crimes and then punish them?
I don't know who is better, but I haven't yet seen who is worse.
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You don't seem to want a discussion, you seem to want people to agree with you.
God knows, really not but thanks for the note.
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You want to try and answer my questions instead of ignoring them? Do you think the Syrian army is committing crimes by firing on their own population? What about the Libyan army? What about the Egyptian army? Why not mention that?
From my point of view not to the extend I have seen in the videos, with another fact that the reason of the war america had against those whom they faught was not agreed upon by almost all the world, which means what have been done should not have been done because there was no reason for war from begining.

When America wanted to fight Iraq they said to give prosperity to Iraqi - see how they are now, and see how many of civilians there were killed.

It is really sad, and it is sad if any human whatever his nationality is do the same, if arabs are doing the same, or Europians or chineese or whoever any other nathionality then it is ofcourse a big shame - and sadness to have those innocent civilians dying and loosing their life due to selfish attitudes and politics.
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No I am not, but I was not aiming to discuss if Americans are doing Army criminal acts or not, and the discussion turned into this.

If you would like to turn the discussion that way, kindly tell me and I will prepare some real facts, and will possible with get my references from CNN and other American news media as a proof of that.

Now honestly I got lost by answering all the thread - looks like there are a lot of americans in Switzerland,

Middle east is not a small region of the world - it is quiet a population, and American Armies did crimes there, and it doesn't mean that middle eastern hates what American armies did in their lands, that they hate america and americans in general, I hope you had a chance to visit some of these countries and seen how hospital are their individuals.

I don't see any reason for us to loose our energy trying to say we are the best we are innocent we are pure - I just wonder, if the pictures in the video was 10 years ago - this means nothing, it was not a single lady, there are a group in Abo Gharieb prison, and there are a lot in Guantanamo and lots more in all around Iraq, Afghanistan, formerly Vietnam and even Japan got bombed by american neuclear bombs.

Again, I am not opening a thread to fight americans, I got really affected by what I have seen, it is very hard to kill or even to just hurt or bother somebody - what was shown was extra hard, I don't need to prove that there are more - because even it is not nice to discover more crimes from such type.

But if you really insist and would like to know if american army did crimes, I can prepare a better planned post with different individual links about what they have done recently - this kind of information sadly we read in our news every day.
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oh, please... do you remember what the Iraqi army did in Kuwait? Do you remember what the Iranian and Iraqi armies did to each other? Do you remember what the armies AND civilians in former Yugoslavia did to each other?

While I am not proud of what the American soldiers have done, it appears that what we hear is true, "War is hell..." and It makes people do horrible things. I had hoped that by the 21st century we could have risen above creating atrocities, but alas...

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I think we may ask the question in a different way, if we can continue in this post.
As middle eastern - possibly I see american politicians and army aggressive and a lot of times "sorry for what I say now" I also feel they are criminals - I did not feel they are armies like others - however nowadays after seeing Syrians I may change my mind.
The question, that might be interesting to ask, you as a non middle eastern, non Arab - and possibly non american, how do you judge the whole american army reactions based on these individual reactions - does it give you an image that the whole american army is really inhuman, or you just feel it is single individuals doing something wrong which doesn't generalize the whole american army behavior ?

I am sorry, if this question was also asked in another post - please ignore my message if so.
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From my point of view not to the extend I have seen in the videos, with another fact that the reason of the war america had against those whom they faught was not agreed upon by almost all the world, which means what have been done should not have been done because there was no reason for war from begining.

When America wanted to fight Iraq they said to give prosperity to Iraqi - see how they are now, and see how many of civilians there were killed.

It is really sad, and it is sad if any human whatever his nationality is do the same, if arabs are doing the same, or Europians or chineese or whoever any other nathionality then it is ofcourse a big shame - and sadness to have those innocent civilians dying and loosing their life due to selfish attitudes and politics.
Why is it impossible for you to answer my questions without deflecting? If it's a shame for it to happen, why focus on Americans? Why not spread the love around? Is it because that's the only example you seem capable of focusing on? It seems the only example you're aware of. In your examples, can you describe any legal actions that were taken? Can you show us where the Americans promised the Iraqis prosperity? Did they (you) expect the Americans to actually develop thriving businesses there and then hand them over to the Iraqis for free? Maybe you meant just pushing big bales of cash out of the back of planes.
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Now put yourself in others who got attacked by american army's shoes and think how will you feel.




This may answer a question asked about those who bomb themselves between american troops!


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Can one really excuse one dreadful, cruel and disgusting act, by another?
Yes dreadful things happen in war - but how anybody can even begin to say 'others have done worse, so it's (sort of) OK, beggars belief imho. And of course, knowing how difficult and volatile the situation, all should know just how dangerous and inflammatory this is.
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Yes dreadful things happen in war - but how anybody can even begin to say 'others have done worse, so it's (sort of) OK, beggars belief imho. And of course, knowing how difficult and volatile the situation, all should know just how dangerous and inflammatory this is.
Not saying that at all. If that's what you're reading in to what I'm saying you need to go back and try again. If anyone is going to use the US military as the worst possible example that you they of, then I'm going to have to call bullshit on that. Do some individuals in a large military operation do bad things? Yes. The question is, does that mliitary/nation recognize those acts as criminal or not and what does it do to try to fix the problem and make sure it doesn't happen again. By that measure, the American military does a rather good job. Now, if the OP had wanted to talk about war crimes in general (as he/she seemed to imply later but then seemed to contradict) then why focus on one country in particular? After all, I think we all agree that atrocious acts committed during war time are bad and that they happen. How is it that US 'crimes' are any worse than those that that occur in other militaries? Does this not make you suspect that the OP's issue isn't 'war crimes' but 'the US and the US military' in pariticular?
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Now put yourself in others who got attacked by american army's shoes and think how will you feel.


This may answer a question asked about those who bomb themselves between american troops!
So, in reality, you don't care about 'war crimes' in general, you just hate America and Americans. Why can't you just come out and say so? That would have been the intellectually honest thing to do instead of trying to hide behind the veil of faux moral superiority. How many of your own people have killed others in terrorist attacks? Oh, am I making assumptions you? I'm sorry (not really).
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