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While reading about american army burning quran in Afghanistan, "which I agree that this may have been done by mistake" - I was gone into a group of videos that made me ask the question, what type of humans are the american army ?

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1) Americans Urinating on dead Afghans watch?v=ZkYY0rseWgg



2) Der Spiegel shows US soldiers posing with corpses watch?v=YWRrR9uhKBg&feature=relmfu



3) Abuse in Abu Ghraib watch?v=2qaGiTTQhXI&feature=related



4) US War Crimes- By the US army (contains very hard pictures, take care before watching) watch?v=Nz57nWz-zw0



5) American Soldier talking about his crimes in Iraq watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=B6hp8HMstkE



In advance, I apologize if any american got my message with offence, I have nothing against individuals - but really what type of human can be this army ?

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Old 25.02.2012, 17:05
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Re: American Army !

What kind of humans are they? The human kinds, of course. The same as in any other military force in the world.


Do a search, everything you've brought up has already been discussed.


Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you go ahead and look up pictures and videos of things done by members of other military and police forces around the world - often to their own people. What kind of humans are those?

Of course, not being Americans, those images are much harder to find - which doesn't mean such things don't happen.
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Re: American Army !

I think we may ask the question in a different way, if we can continue in this post.
As middle eastern - possibly I see american politicians and army aggressive and a lot of times "sorry for what I say now" I also feel they are criminals - I did not feel they are armies like others - however nowadays after seeing Syrians I may change my mind.
The question, that might be interesting to ask, you as a non middle eastern, non Arab - and possibly non american, how do you judge the whole american army reactions based on these individual reactions - does it give you an image that the whole american army is really inhuman, or you just feel it is single individuals doing something wrong which doesn't generalize the whole american army behavior ?

I am sorry, if this question was also asked in another post - please ignore my message if so.
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Re: American Army !

Of course individuals do bad things, they are individuals. Have you never met any humans before?

Army or not, some people are capable of really nasty things. Army or not, some people become "not right in the head" after experiencing really nasty things. Combine the two and voila!

This happens EVERYWHERE - grow up and look at some reports of news from around the world, not just news criticizing the US.
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Re: American Army !

Not to the extend of what I have seen these army were doing.
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Not to the extend of what I have seen these army were doing.
You simply haven't been "looking with open eyes" then my friend.
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Are there examples of other people who urinated on dead bodies and took pictures smiling beside bombed killed naked civilians ?

I would appreciate knowing really
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Of course individuals do bad things, they are individuals. Have you never met any humans before?

Army or not, some people are capable of really nasty things. Army or not, some people become "not right in the head" after experiencing really nasty things. Combine the two and voila!

This happens EVERYWHERE - grow up and look at some reports of news from around the world, not just news criticizing the US.
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Are there examples of other people who urinated on dead bodies and took pictures smiling beside bombed killed naked civilians ?

I would appreciate knowing really
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Tell as or show as what you seen
Where the pictures ?

But what I like to see is that the leadership in ANY army ,Stupid things like burning of other culture treasure ,piss on ,humiliating ,will have survier consequences.Like loss of pension ,jail,discharge etc etc

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Re: American Army !

Pretty nasty things going down in Syria right now. Oh well, out of sight, out of mind.


Back to those nasty awful Americans.







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As peg A said
Tell as or show as what you seen
Where the pictures ?

But what I like to see is that the leadership in ANY army ,Stupid things like burning of other culture treasure ,piss on ,humiliating ,will have survivor consequences.Like loss of pension ,jail,discharge etc etc

Pictures are in the YouTube videos in the first post - look at second and third link!

I believe none on earth may do like what those people did - by Syria ...... might be, there is no enough media there

and this doesn't mean I am against Americans - I appreciate a lot of good individuals working with me here, I am just affected by this action.


And yes, I feel Syrians are doing also crimes, Syria might be worse, as they are killing their own people, really sad and hope they will find a way out there
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Where the pictures ?
This video is not suitable for sensitive people


here you can see lot of pictures where army (ladies and gentlemen) taking pictures while smiling beside dead naked humans thrown in streets, you will see also other pictures that are obviously inhuman





Apologies, this video is really tough one.

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Old 25.02.2012, 18:26
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here you can see lot of pictures where army (ladies and gentlemen) taking pictures while smiling beside dead naked humans thrown in streets, you will see also other pictures that are obviously inhuman





Apologies, this video is really tough one.

While not condoning these activities, in any way - stressful situations can lead to different responses in different people. Combine that with the structure of the military, and people do stupid, offensive and irrational things. And while me sitting here in my nice cozy home in Switzerland can think these actions are reprehensible, as I have never "walked a mile in their shoes" I can't say that I wouldn't be swayed to do something I normally wouldn't do in my normal everyday life if I were put in the same stressful situations that soldiers encounter. War is nasty. Again, I am not condoning this behavior. I suggest you read "Lord of the Flies" if you have never done so...
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And while me sitting here in my nice cozy home in Switzerland can think these actions are reprehensible, as I have never "walked a mile in their shoes" I can't say that I wouldn't be swayed to do something I normally wouldn't do in my normal everyday life ...

100 % agree, but I wonder what those civilians may have done to stress the american army ?

You know, that was the reason of my first post - in the middle east side of the world, and what colleagues who were living in Iraq during the war say that the american/british and other armies that were in Iraq were just having a picnic, ofcourse there was a war, but not equal - who may tell that america (and some other countries) against Iraq is equal war - so all there honestly including me, feel that there is nothing that may lead to these reactions except if it is fully believed in their inside soul.

And I really wondered if people from the other side of the world have any clarification why this happened, is it really normal, were these army forces really stressed and in hard situation to do this ? I wonder what might these civilians have done to make the american army nervous to that extend and react like this!

If you listen to the guy from the american miletary talking, he says that there was really no reason to do so, more than they were making use of their time ...
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Re: American Army !

The Crusades (Episodes I - III)
Christian Reformation
Spanish expansion into South America
Boers sent to English concentration camps
Turkish abuses in Armenia
Soviet atrocitiies against their own citizens
Killing Fields of Cambodia
Annihilation in Rwanda

Seems like mankind in general has been pretty good at learning from history and manages to make the killing continue. No one nation can pretend that their souls are clean.
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100 % agree, but I wonder what those civilians may have done to stress the american army ?
I don't know for sure, as I am a civilian and have never been there. I have seen a few Hollywood adaptations, but I don't think that makes me an expert. As I understand it, in this "war" in particular, it is very hard to know who your enemy is, as they aren't necessarily out there wearing uniforms. Wondering if the next person coming around the corner is going to try and kill me or if the next step I take I will step on some type of improvised explosive device would probably make me edgy and perhaps react in ways I could never have imagined here.
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In advance, I apologize if any american got my message with offence, I have nothing against individuals - but really what type of human can be this army ?
I'm guessing you're not all that apologetic. Mind posting up some stories about the 'fun times' the Taliban provide when the US troops aren't around and before they even showed up? Eh. Why bother?
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I'm guessing you're not all that apologetic.
Hope we will not turn the discussion into touching each other personalities.


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Mind posting up some stories about the 'fun times' the Taliban provide when the US troops aren't around and before they even showed up? Eh. Why bother?
American army seems to be invading the whole world, they always initiate wars due to unclear reasons, and they do inhuman crimes as I can see in the videos up there - war against iraq, afghan,... is unfair unequal war.

One can never compare what Taliban may have done to what American army did.
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Re: American Army !

Just watched that video. I noticed a few things:

1. Men are brutal.
2. War is brutal.
3. Innocent people die and are injured in war.
4. Power over another person can release endorphines that cause men (and one women in the video) to be cruel and idiotic.

What a sad, cruel place this world can be.

Lilu in the 5th Element couldn't handle those pictures and I barely can as well.
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Re: American Army !

I will second what Drmom wrote and also add that many Americans condemned the atrocities at Abu Ghraib and several of the people shown in these photos were sent to prison for their crimes. I personally was against the Iraq war from the beginning and still see it as one of the worst moves ever that has devastated us financially and morally. But sadly, this is the result of electing a dictatorial half-wit and self-righteous war-mongering jackass (Bush & Cheney) as president and vice president -- THE worst EVER to occupy the White House! These two should be shot for their war crimes as well as the economic destruction they wrought on the US through their reckless fiscal policies.

Still, without excusing the American government for its misdeeds, there have been numerous conflicts in the Middle East long before any of this that the Americans had no involvement in. Saddam Hussein & his sons committed some of the worst atrocities ever against the Iraqi people as well as the Kurds. What about the Iran-Iraq war from 1980-1988? Then Saddam's invasion of Kuwait in 1990? There was an uprising in Syria from 1976 - 1982. What about the civil war in Lebanon, that raged for years during the seventies and eighties? There was also a scuffle between Egypt and Libya in the seventies, there was the Jordanian-Palestinian civil war in the early seventies and more recently the conflict between Al Fatah and Hamas in Palestine. Just to name a few...

But I guess it's easier to point the finger of blame elsewhere?
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One can never compare what Taliban may have done to what American army did.
Yes, because we don't have videos of them being cruel. Sorry but the Taliban is an oppresive governing body who oppress women, children and their fellow citizens in general. To say the American army is worse is just naive.
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