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Old 03.03.2012, 10:48
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Re: Rape Jokes Are Not Funny

I am also against curtailing freedom of speech, which is understandable with my background, I guess.

However, I appreciate individuals who possess the rare qualities which I would label compassion, restraint and class.

I think there is also an issue of true motivation and intent, which are often uconscious. Very often people who make borderline jokes are not aware why they feel the need to joke about rape or the Holocaust. What kind of inner need does joking like that really feed? Sometimes I wouldn’t like to know.
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Re: Rape Jokes Are Not Funny

I just want to point out that, correct me if I'm wrong, but no one has actually suggested here that rape jokes be banned. The overwhelming effort here is to educate those who make them and state that we don't find them funny.

Is that an attack on your freedom of speech? Just listen to us and then think twice before so lightly making and spreading these jokes.
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I am also against curtailing freedom of speech, which is understandable with my background, I guess.

However, I appreciate individuals who possess the rare qualities which I would label compassion, restraint and class.

I think there is also an issue of true motivation and intent, which are often uconscious. Very often people who make borderline jokes are not aware why they feel the need to joke about rape or the Holocaust. What kind of inner need does joking like that really feed? Sometimes I wouldn’t like to know.
Don't dig too deep I'd say, vulgus will always find entertaining the jokes about rape, jews, black people, women and so on. Most of the time is all about plain stupidity, some don't even see they are offensive jokes.
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Well the fact that you feel the same today shows that it is in fact a way of thinking not just a few posts in a thread. But it is a forum...you are free to feel that way.
I do not believe that you feel any sympathy or at least it is not seen. You cannot say that you have sympathy and put up with jokes in the middle of a rape discussion.
Yes...you do tell people how to think but you just do not see yourself. You told people to lighten up...that is to think in a different way. And it is not the first time you told people. And you tell it also many times by bullying. I mean words...but it is still sticks and stones...
You sat through a gig...when you go to such a place you expect certain things to be said. It is the context of jokes but not a public forum with 10 000 people (and probably rape victims or at least abuse). Yes...it is true that even through a gig you could find victims but like I said you cannot compare the two settings. You cannot say anything...but you could get up and leave and make a stand. But when in a rape discussion you see a guy coming along with gang rape jokes, even when you do not agree with the OP, and you say nothing...hhmmm
You must now be deliberately missing any form of point except your own. Saying people should relax and lighten up is not the same as telling people the MUST NEVER make jokes on a subject or inferring they are a lesser person for doing so. If I find a particular joke funny, that should be none of your concern, would I repeat that joke probably not, but that again is my choice. The main point you miss either by intention or inability to grasp is simply this. You or Peg or anyone else for that matter has no right to tell me or anyone else what I/they should think or find funny, that is my/their choice.

I don't know where you are from or how you where brought up, but I was brought up to respect the entitlement of people to have their own viewpoint, it may differ from mine and I may vehemently dis-agree with it, but they are just as entitled to it as I am to mine, and the EF knitting circle has no impact on that whatsoever.

My feelings on the act of rape is exactly as I said, and fail to see how my ability to let a joke about it wash over me in anyway lessens it. That is called having a certain amount of objectivity.
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Old 03.03.2012, 11:22
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Re: Rape Jokes Are Not Funny

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You must now be deliberately missing any form of point except your own. Saying people should relax and lighten up is not the same as telling people the MUST NEVER make jokes on a subject or inferring they are a lesser person for doing so. If I find a particular joke funny, that should be none of your concern, would I repeat that joke probably not, but that again is my choice. The main point you miss either by intention or inability to grasp is simply this. You or Peg or anyone else for that matter has no right to tell me or anyone else what I/they should think or find funny, that is my/their choice.

I don't know where you are from or how you where brought up, but I was brought up to respect the entitlement of people to have their own viewpoint, it may differ from mine and I may vehemently dis-agree with it, but they are just as entitled to it as I am to mine, and the EF knitting circle has no impact on that whatsoever.

My feelings on the act of rape is exactly as I said, and fail to see how my ability to let a joke about it wash over me in anyway lessens it. That is called having a certain amount of objectivity.
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Old 03.03.2012, 11:27
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Re: Rape Jokes Are Not Funny

The thing I keep "hearing" when I read some of the comments from folks defending rape jokes is that I (and others) need to "lighten up" and not be offended.

How is it any less my place to tell you that your behavior is offensive than it is your place to tell me not to be offended? How is it less my place to be offended than your place to have a laugh?

I've shared a lot of my past on this forum, usually it has proven to be something good for me in some way, whether cathartic or sometimes helpful in finding people I can truly talk to about my troubles. I've shared before as much as I'm willing to about something with relevance to this topic, you can find it if you search, I don't happen to be of a mind to open myself up that far for your "cuts" this time. Paid a dear price for opening up about something here already, this thing you can use against me you'll have to look for (it's not hard to find I'm sure).


Uncle Max said that we, as a community, tend to be good at "self policing", letting each other know where the line is. Why is it that when my line impacts your fun, somehow "self policing" is bad? Sure I willingly drew the fire to myself, and will do so again for things that stand out and are important to me, bear in mind though that I am not the only one who thinks that rape jokes are unacceptable and I am not the only one to have said so. "We" are telling you this behavior is unacceptable.

So, LISTEN UP:
Rape jokes are offensive.
Multiple people have said so.
Is it really so tough to NOT make them?
Are you that bored, do you have to go so far to prove you're an internet tough guy to actively torment people who have told you that you've offended them?


One thing I find ironic about "society" is what is acceptable behavior. Why is it okay for someone to deeply hurt someone with words, but it's not okay to punch them in the mouth for doing so? (Please note, this is in no way meant to be a threat but rather, a simple musing about life as we know it.)
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Re: Rape Jokes Are Not Funny

is this still dragging on and hanging onto life by fingertips..... is there an ignore button somewhere?
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You must now be deliberately missing any form of point except your own. Saying people should relax and lighten up is not the same as telling people the MUST NEVER make jokes on a subject or inferring they are a lesser person for doing so. If I find a particular joke funny, that should be none of your concern, would I repeat that joke probably not, but that again is my choice. The main point you miss either by intention or inability to grasp is simply this. You or Peg or anyone else for that matter has no right to tell me or anyone else what I/they should think or find funny, that is my/their choice.

I don't know where you are from or how you where brought up, but I was brought up to respect the entitlement of people to have their own viewpoint, it may differ from mine and I may vehemently dis-agree with it, but they are just as entitled to it as I am to mine, and the EF knitting circle has no impact on that whatsoever.

My feelings on the act of rape is exactly as I said, and fail to see how my ability to let a joke about it wash over me in anyway lessens it. That is called having a certain amount of objectivity.
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One thing I find ironic about "society" is what is acceptable behavior. Why is it okay for someone to deeply hurt someone with words, but it's not okay to punch them in the mouth for doing so? (Please note, this is in no way meant to be a threat but rather, a simple musing about life as we know it.)
A friend of mine who is a victim usual does one better - she leans over to the joker and whispers a few short lines of her experience in his ear. One guy threw up immediately after.
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One thing I find ironic about "society" is what is acceptable behavior. Why is it okay for someone to deeply hurt someone with words, but it's not okay to punch them in the mouth for doing so? (Please note, this is in no way meant to be a threat but rather, a simple musing about life as we know it.)
The people who started a fatwa against Salman Rushdie and killed a few of his translators thought the same way.
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The people who started a fatwa against Salman Rushdie and killed a few of his translators thought the same way.
Really? Religion is a personal belief, not a traumatic experience, at least it shouldn't be. Religious fanaticism is not the same as someone saying 'guys, to say this hurts me and makes me want to punch you in the mouth, could you please think before you speak?'...
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Really? Religion is a personal belief, not a traumatic experience, at least it shouldn't be. Religious fanaticism is not the same as someone saying 'guys, to say this hurts me and makes me want to punch you in the mouth, could you please think before you speak?'...
No but being called names or being beat up for your religion is.
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If you or someone you loved was raped, would you want to hear someone else laughing about rape? Or would you feel re-victimized?
The latter when it comes to rape. But then I am a hypocrite, I guess, because I find other "offensive" stuff funny. The thing is that most people who make jokes about disabled people, for instance, likely wouldn't make that same joke directly to someone who is disabled. I think rape in theory could be the same except it's not something you'll likely know about the person.

I don't get all this kafuffle about freedom of speech and censorship either. I don't think the OP is saying you're breaking the law and can't make these jokes. She's just offering some reasons as to why you can *choose* not to. People will do what they want but I personally don't like the jokes. Posting them directly in this thread is just provocation really.
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The latter when it comes to rape. But then I am a hypocrite, I guess, because I find other "offensive" stuff funny. The thing is that most people who make jokes about disabled people, for instance, likely wouldn't make that same joke directly to someone who is disabled. I think rape in theory could be the same except it's not something you'll likely know about the person.

I don't get all this kafuffle about freedom of speech and censorship either. I don't think the OP is saying you're breaking the law and can't make these jokes. She's just offering some reasons as to why you can *choose* not to. People will do what they want but I personally don't like the jokes. Posting them directly in this thread is just provocation really.
Exactly. Do you call a black person with the N word? No, why? Because it is offensive, disrespectful and inappropriate.
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Exactly. Do you call a black person with the N word? No, why? Because it is offensive, disrespectful and inappropriate.
Personally I consider the term 'black person' to be offensive, disrespectful and inappropriate and would never use it (outside explaining this situation).
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Personally I consider the term 'black person' to be offensive, disrespectful and inappropriate and would never use it (outside explaining this situation).
To be called white person isn't offensive to me. Nor being called a woman person nor a Muslim person.

What's your point?
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To be called white person isn't offensive to me. Nor being called a woman person nor a Muslim person.

What's your point?
Well I'm not offended by being called a black/white/yellow person or anything for that matter, but I could understand that some one could be offended if I called them black or referred to them by the n-bomb. So I don't use either, they both could potentially offend, so both go in the same category for me.
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Well I'm not offended by being called a black/white/yellow person or anything for that matter, but I could understand that some one could be offended if I called them black or referred to them by the n-bomb. So I don't use either, they both could potentially offend, so both go in the same category for me.
Both are certainly not in the same thing. Not even close!!!

You can call me Muslim but don't ever call me moor. One could be insulted by their own skin color? Their is a huge difference by referring someone to his/ her color and calling them with the very offensive word.

A friend of mine was refered as an African American. That was trully insulting for him, He was German...
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Both are certainly not in the same thing. Not even close!!!

You can call me Muslim but don't ever call me moor. One could be insulted by their own skin color? Their is a huge difference by referring someone to his/ her color and calling them with the very offensive word.

A friend of mine was refered as an African American. That was trully insulting for him, He was German...
You are correct, they are not the same, but this is the whole point of the thread, just because something doesn't offend one, or all or the majority doesn't mean it won't offend some.

Nothing is wrong with referring to one's skin colour, but I can assure you no one, outside severe burn patients, have black skin. It is a poor generalization that will offend some. Would you call oriental people 'yellow people'. In reality many oriental skin colors are much closer to yellow than darker-skinned people are to black.
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I lost my virginity at 16 when, completely paralytic due to excessive consumption of alcohol, someone decided they would have sex with me.
can i take you out for a drink sometime?

omg! i just made a rape joke TO a rape victim in an anti-rape joke thread! i am definitely going to hell!

sorry, couldnt risk the opportunity for maximum tastelessness...
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