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Old 13.06.2012, 14:15
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Re: Can someone please enlighten me...

I do apologize if my use of the word offended you. But please keep in mind that my post in no way defended the Gestapo. If anything, it was an acknowledgement of the fact that I think they're monsters.

Perhaps you're right that a lot of Americans don't fully understand the horrors of WWII. However, I don't think ANYONE (regardless of their physical location) can fully grasp that unless they are old enough to have witnessed it first-hand.
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Old 13.06.2012, 14:43
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I do apologize if my use of the word offended you. But please keep in mind that my post in no way defended the Gestapo. If anything, it was an acknowledgement of the fact that I think they're monsters.
Well, no. It didn't really offend me. I just sort of cringed. If you know what I mean. Then I got over it and moved on!

I just wanted to give you the "why" since you asked.

Not sure I can go with you on the idea that asking a parent to clarify their child has been in mandatory schooling is the same as being "monsters", especially as we don't know the whole story, do we? I mean really. That is so not close to what the gestapo did. And that's the point I think.

Anyway, that's a different topic.


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Perhaps you're right that a lot of Americans don't fully understand the horrors of WWII. However, I don't think ANYONE (regardless of their physical location) can fully grasp that unless they are old enough to have witnessed it first-hand.
Many of us are old enough however to have parents, grand parents, family members, teachers, friends and neighbors who lived through it and told us about it growing up.
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Old 13.06.2012, 14:56
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Re: Can someone please enlighten me...

I dunno, I thought it was an apt analogy considering I used to have nightmares about my daughter's Swiss Kindergarten teacher wearing jackboots, hat, crop and shouting in incomprehensible German as she was rather uptight.

And I think Americans understand the "G" just fine, it's just we usually deal with things like that with a bit more humor instead which we can afford to do since we don't have hostile neighbors. I find it interesting that many of these words are resurfacing now in the EU press with the resentments aimed at Germany and the Bundesbank over the eurocrisis.
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Old 13.06.2012, 14:58
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Many of us are old enough however to have parents, grand parents, family members, teachers, friends and neighbors who lived through it and told us about it growing up.
Absolutely not the same thing!

All but one member of the Italian/German/Russian side of my family was wiped out, and the Dutch side were part of the resistance in WWII.

I grew up with plenty of "bedside stories" - there's no way you have any right to compare your "stories" to actually having been there!
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@Minimia: Maybe that is true.. I do not know all the facts about Gestapo (apart from what I have seen on TV and the history books)... But I got a lot or flak elsewhere for using Swastika as my username and symbol.. A lot of people in Europe associate Swastika with only Nazis, but they forget that it is an ancient 5000 year old symbol of my country and it is not uncommon to find shops and enterprises there named so.. Just because it was stolen and used for some horrific acts does not mean that it loses its original meaning (which is "good being")... It is easy to be short sighted and forget the larger picture...

Anyways, I feel that everything is all in the eyes of the observer.. And let us move on...
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Old 13.06.2012, 15:02
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Absolutely not the same thing!

All but one member of the Italian/German/Russian side of my family was wiped out, and the Dutch side were part of the resistance in WWII.

I grew up with plenty of "bedside stories" - there's no way you have any right to compare your "stories" to actually having been there!
I didn't say it WAS the same thing! I just think there were many more people in Europe who heard those stories than in the US. Those words are just not thrown around in Europe as they are in the US. That's just fact. Right or wrong who knows.


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@Minimia: Maybe that is true.. I do not know all the facts about Gestapo (apart from what I have seen on TV and the history books)... But I got a lot or flak elsewhere for using Swastika as my username and symbol.. A lot of people in Europe associate Swastika with only Nazis, but they forget that it is an ancient 5000 year old symbol of my country and it is not uncommon to find shops and enterprises there named so.. Just because it was stolen and used for some horrific acts does not mean that it loses its original meaning (which is "good being")... It is easy to be short sighted and forget the larger picture...

Anyways, I feel that everything is all in the eyes of the observer.. And let us move on...
What do you want to me to do about that? Many people are very aware of where the swastika came from. That sad thing is that it was appropriated for evil and is so associated in Europe.




People, don't kill the messenger! Carrie asked why someone might have given her red blobbies. I already said I don't agree with giving out blobbies left right and center. But this is my thinking of perhaps why the person did that. If she really wants to know, she can ask him.



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I dunno, I thought it was an apt analogy considering I used to have nightmares about my daughter's Swiss Kindergarten teacher wearing jackboots, hat, crop and shouting in incomprehensible German as she was rather uptight.
Yeah. But no.
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And I think Americans understand the "G" just fine, it's just we usually deal with things like that with a bit more humor instead which we can afford to do since we don't have hostile neighbors. I find it interesting that many of these words are resurfacing now in the EU press with the resentments aimed at Germany and the Bundesbank over the eurocrisis.
Maybe. Maybe it's just a matter of "dealing with things with more humor". Who knows.
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Old 13.06.2012, 15:08
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Now I'm courious...I'm new here, I don't know how you give red blobbies Could anyone explain me? Thank you
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Old 13.06.2012, 15:12
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To be honest, when I read your post I though it was completely inappropriate as well as I think even in the US we have truancy laws as well. You'll get knock on the door from the Po'lice if your kid is not in school. So to pull out the "gestapo" card was a bit OTT.
Correct, it should have been Stasi instead of Gestapo.
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Old 13.06.2012, 15:22
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Correct, it should have been Stasi instead of Gestapo.
Yes! That is a much better analogy.
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Old 13.06.2012, 15:29
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Correct, it should have been Stasi instead of Gestapo.
I thought "hearings" were the preserve of the Spanish Inquisition. I could be wrong though.
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Old 13.06.2012, 15:31
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Now I'm courious...I'm new here, I don't know how you give red blobbies Could anyone explain me? Thank you

When you have 10 posts (i think), then a picture icon of 'scales' will appear on the top right hand corner of each post.

Press that and then you will be taken to another page.......then all will be revealed.

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Old 13.06.2012, 15:36
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When you have 10 posts (i think), then a picture icon of 'scales' will appear on the top right hand corner of each post.

Press that and then you will be taken to another page.......then all will be revealed.

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oooh, someone's fishing for green blobbies...
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He was just being nice...but as soon as I can, be sure I'll be fan of Swiss Cheddar forever and ever
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Old 13.06.2012, 17:27
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He was just being nice...but as soon as I can, be sure I'll be fan of Swiss Cheddar forever and ever
Oi! Take a number and go to the end of the line up way back there!

Non mais....
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Old 13.06.2012, 17:36
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I thought "hearings" were the preserve of the Spanish Inquisition. I could be wrong though.
I think the Spanish Inquisitors have all been laid off...which they weren't expecting....
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Old 13.06.2012, 17:46
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Absolutely not the same thing!

All but one member of the Italian/German/Russian side of my family was wiped out, and the Dutch side were part of the resistance in WWII.

I grew up with plenty of "bedside stories" - there's no way you have any right to compare your "stories" to actually having been there!
You say that as if the Nazis were the only perpetrators of genocide/war crimes/unspeakable acts. The thing about America is that many victims, survivors and families thereof migrated to the US to leave the past behind and start fresh whereas those who stayed in Europe cuddle with their resentments towards Germany/Russia/<insert country here> as a way to remember, to always remember. There aren't many who weren't touched by WWII, but to make uttering the word 'gestapo' a crime, well, it has been more than 60 years. Wounds heal and time marches on.

Besides, if Mel Brooks, a Jew who lost plenty of family in WWII, can write 'springtime for Hitler' (watch it on YouTube - highly recommended) then I think everyone can learn to lighten up a little because making humor tends to disarm the power of evil.

Also, if you get a chance to see the Finnish 'nazis on the moon' movie, that's also recommended. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky
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Old 13.06.2012, 18:03
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People who give red blobbies and Groans usually say more about themselves than what they are moaning about.
I have 3 groans, one for giving helpful info, one from some light hearted banter with another Londoner , and one for mentioning tree hugging hippies (my fav).

All three say more about the groaner than the content of my posts.

GESTAPO!! is the word of the day. Unless it offends someone .......


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I also think Americans have a much less serious take on the horrors of WWII. We tend to use "gestapo", "nazi", "gulag" etc much much more than in Europe that actually had close up & personal experience.
In forums etc, the word "Nazi" is handed out a bit too easily IMO (spelling-nazi, grammar-nazi...).
It's IMO a case of "I don't think the word means what you think it means".
Victims from the holocaust usually complain about this, too, because it kind-of makes the holocaust look less serious. Maybe that's where the negative points came from...

As for personal experience - few of those are still alive, and only very few of those who could still tell, are actually willing to do so.
My grandfather certainly never talked about the time - and he was in Russia during the war. That was the norm, rather than the exception.
PTSD wasn't known under that name then and most people either put it into alcohol or their work (guess where the "Wirtschaftwunder" came from?).
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But I got a lot or flak elsewhere for using Swastika as my username and symbol.. A lot of people in Europe associate Swastika with only Nazis, but they forget that it is an ancient 5000 year old symbol of my country and it is not uncommon to find shops and enterprises there named so.. Just because it was stolen and used for some horrific acts does not mean that it loses its original meaning (which is "good being")...
Yeah sure, but still, it's tainted. For ever.
Or would you call your son "Adolf"?
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Old 13.06.2012, 18:47
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you've used the "g" word 5 times...



any last word?
All she did was say, "That piece of halibut was good enough for the Gestapo."
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