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Old 19.06.2012, 18:01
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Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

dunno if thats in the right thread but i am wondering who definded the rhymes?

head-> loaf of bread-> loaf = head.

i mean head also rhymes with Fred.
or eye with high, etc.

is there a source or a story to the history of these rhymes or how these rhymes have developed?

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Old 19.06.2012, 18:03
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

pls reply in this thread...cheers!
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Old 19.06.2012, 18:03
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

Dunno, but he must be a right James (Blunt)
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Old 19.06.2012, 18:07
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

All easily googled or wikied.

It's traditionally s'posed to be understood by only other cockneys - a coded speak.

A phrase is used to rhyme with the word being replaced - usually the last part of the phrase is the rhyming word, but only the first word of the phrase is spoken.

Loaf of bread = head: (bread rhymes with head); but loaf is said: "Use yer loaf"
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Old 19.06.2012, 18:14
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Dunno, but he must be a right James (Blunt)
Wrong James - I think it should be the late, great British playboy, racing driver of the '70s.

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Old 19.06.2012, 18:15
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

Is that about fighting roosters?
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Old 19.06.2012, 18:23
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

yes, but why bread? i could name 10 more words that rhyme with head?!
arms=chalked farms. could aslo be potential harms.
for me there is no system behind how these rhymes were made.
and i thought there is more to this than it just rhymes.
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Old 19.06.2012, 18:25
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

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yes, but why bread? i could name 10 more words that rhyme with head?!
arms=chalked farms. could aslo be potential harms.
for me there is no system behind how these rhymes were made.
and i thought there is more to this than it just rhymes.
I guess like any insider language, it develops over time and good new inventions get picked up and bad ones discarded. So the only criterium is, do people use it. Trying to analyse it with logics is doomed to failure.
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Old 19.06.2012, 18:30
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yes, but why bread? i could name 10 more words that rhyme with head?!
arms=chalked farms. could aslo be potential harms.
for me there is no system behind how these rhymes were made.
and i thought there is more to this than it just rhymes.
Cockneys were the impoverished workers from the East End of London - dockers, porters, market traders - they used common phrases with which they were familiar.

It probably wasn't too much thought out, but just evolved.

Chalk Farm is an area in N.London - but not too far away from Bow Bells, as the crow flies - again, familiarity.
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Old 19.06.2012, 18:39
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Wrong James - I think it should be the late, great British playboy, racing driver of the '70s.

[logging off for a while, as I need a pony, and will probably have a J.Arthur whilst I'm there]
Not true, slang is kept up to date.

Check out: Shame about the Boat Race
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Old 19.06.2012, 18:44
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

I don't think anyone really knows why some phrases have stuck though, I still use 'whistle' and 'butchers' regularly, but am also known to enjoy a couple of 'Uri's' when in the smoke.
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Old 19.06.2012, 19:00
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

Right me old china, have a butchers at my post and if you need more info I can give you a few lessons.

I'll charge an Ayrton an hour.

If you aint got no bread we shall end in a bit of bull and cow.

I wont do lessons over the dog and bone either.

It takes donkeys to be affiliated with cockney, and you wont understand the reasoning.

Pop ova to my frog and toad, I do ya nice cuppa rosie, order in a ruby, and dont bring the trouble and strife.
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Old 19.06.2012, 20:11
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Dunno, but he must be a right James (Blunt)
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ok, thx for the information. especially the farms bit and its relation to bows i see the point.
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Old 20.06.2012, 15:27
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

I left a witty response here a moment ago but nah some tea leaf's 'alf inched it gorblimey anyolliron rabbit rabbit rabbit...
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Old 20.06.2012, 15:43
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

This might be an urban legend, but the word "berk" isn't permitted in the House of Commons, since it is derived from "Berkshire Hunt" and is deemed "unparliamentary". It may well be a bunch of porkies, but I like it.
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pls reply in this Hamble
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Hamble, Jemima, Big Ted and Little Ted - Obvious, innit?
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

Does the dish "Bubble & Squeak" come from cockney too?
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Re: Cockney- who defined the rhymes?

The nationality does
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