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Old 16.08.2012, 10:28
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i wish heroin addicts would jab smokers now and then with their needles to show them how uncomfortable and irritating it is to be forced to share their filthy habits...
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Most of the Swiss government seem to be in favour of passive smoking. There will be a vote on the referendum on 23rd September,

http://www.parlament.ch/d/wahlen-abs...n/default.aspx
This thread was in response to the original thread that was started here.

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Old 16.08.2012, 10:32
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Re: Smokers Vs Non-smokers

Ohhh, not again....
Smokers, go away!
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Old 16.08.2012, 10:33
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i wish heroin addicts would jab smokers now and then with their needles to show them how uncomfortable and irritating it is to be forced to share their filthy habits...
Lol, too funny, in a sick and twisted way
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Oh no not at all, I just like to educate on this massive public misconception. It's not healthy for people to live in fear of something they should not. They are completely entitled to be bothered by it, we all have our annoyances as I pointed out before, but berating smokers on health grounds under the passive smoke banner is flawed.

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I can't believe that you think second hand smoke isn't harmful. And it's not just the smoke which you can smell that does the harm. There are many invisible poisons in cigarettes which are potentially lethal.

An article from the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11844169
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The perennial question to smokers has to be: Why do you smoke?
And here's the perennial answer: 'Cos it's enjoyable. Not quite sure what you find so hard to understand here, but people haven't been doing it for hundreds of years for no reason.
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As for the people who have an "occasional" smoke with a drink your fooling yourself if you think your not addicted and your fooling yourself if you think you enjoy it.
Now that's a really silly thing to say. Both points are easily demonstrable.

Oh, and you might like to fix your yours and your you'res.
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Old 16.08.2012, 10:54
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And here's the perennial answer: 'Cos it's enjoyable. Not quite sure what you find so hard to understand here, but people haven't been doing it for hundreds of years for no reason.
Enjoyable isn't an answer in itself though.

Scratching your butt is enjoyable because of the sensation it creates, but what is so thrilling about smoking that makes you want to surrender years of your life for it?
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I wish smokers would follow one simple rule - if there are others around and it's not a space in which you would feel comfortable farting, then don't smoke.
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Enjoyable isn't an answer in itself though.

Scratching your butt is enjoyable because of the sensation it creates, but what is so thrilling about smoking that makes you want to surrender years of your life for it?
I'm a non-smoker but I can see why people smoke and I'm fine with it. Everything carries a risk that it will either shorten your life or maybe hamper your life quality as you get older and I bet none of us are immune.

Even running (a lot of which I do) will probably knacker my knees or hips or something in the coming years, and that's supposed to be a healthy activity!

Hell, I even wear a cycle helmet when cycling and, if you believe the other thread, it's going to strangle me and beat me to a bleeding pulp..

I indulge in alcohol moderately which is taking its toll on my liver, even though I don't drink much. I probably eat too much sugary, fatty things kidding myself that I don't put weight on but I don't ever peer into my arteries and see that maybe they are complaining a bit.

I think the main reason people have a pop at smokers is because their smoke impacts too often on non-smokers' lives so we try to find a way to get them to stop. In this case, scaring them with the health risks.
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Old 16.08.2012, 11:04
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Yay! Flame war!
There's a certain symmetry about a flame war on a thread titled "smokers vs. non-smokers".

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I can't believe that you think second hand smoke isn't harmful. And it's not just the smoke which you can smell that does the harm. There are many invisible poisons in cigarettes which are potentially lethal.

An article from the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11844169
While I don't necessarily agree with Jordan's comment that the data are weak, I think they are hard to extrapolate.

Passive smoking (or ETS) has been shown to be linked to increases in respiratory problems, cardiovascular diseases and cancers. However, many of the studies have been conducted using spouse/partner exposure and/or child exposure, which is very different to the "standing next to a smoker in a bus stop" scenario.

Given that the risks are only slightly increased for these "chronically" exposed partners, it is hard to accept de facto that the risk I carry from living a relatively smoke-free life is the same as someone living with a smoker.

Every day we are exposed to many more carcinogens than ETS alone. Think of the sun for starters, car fumes a close second, radon not far behind, the chemicals in the consmetics we use every morning...
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Old 16.08.2012, 11:14
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Re: Smokers Vs Non-smokers

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Oh, and you might like to fix your yours and your you'res.
you'res isn't a word... you are taking the contraction of "you are" and trying to say, you ares by adding that "s" ...

and if you are dyslexic maybe it will work with ares as it could imply you're saying someone is an arse instead... and not implying you are actually doing so, but merely stating how one with jumbling of words could see it or write it ... or
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I wish smokers would follow one simple rule - if there are others around and it's not a space in which you would feel comfortable farting, then don't smoke.
hummmm... while I am way anti smoking.. the idea of an SBD being let go in an elevator always (ok almost and only when it would be me) makes me laugh
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hummmm... while I am way anti smoking.. the idea of an SBD being let go in an elevator always (ok almost and only when it would be me) makes me laugh
An SBD is just sneaky. Let it out as a full and proud trouser cough - now THAT would be funny.
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could not agree more.. but, you know that clears the room fast.... and in those cases, i am flat out against being the giver of such force, i have enough problems making friends
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Old 16.08.2012, 11:29
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I can't believe that you think second hand smoke isn't harmful. And it's not just the smoke which you can smell that does the harm. There are many invisible poisons in cigarettes which are potentially lethal.

An article from the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11844169
Oh jeez do I have to repeat myself.

Why do people persist on posting link after link rather than reading the studies themselves, looking at the science, and looking at the facts. I don't think, I know, based on all readable studies that have been carried out.

The link to any harm is so flimsy, it is ridiculous. Even though they lowered the ratio normally applied in all scientific studies for establishing such links to things, it still provided such a weak link, that it wouldnt normally hold up in any other scientific experiment. But it wasnt the answer they wanted, so they published sections of the studies to sway the opinion. WHO admit this. But it was largely to get people to smoke outside, not in confined areas, which I think is morally correct anyway.

We are outside now, so just give it a rest. We do not care anymore about you anti smoke crap.
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you'res isn't a word... you are taking the contraction of "you are" and trying to say, you ares by adding that "s" ...
I think he knows. He is using the plural. HTH.
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And here's the perennial answer: 'Cos it's enjoyable. Not quite sure what you find so hard to understand here, but people haven't been doing it for hundreds of years for no reason.
It's enjoyable like huffing glue is enjoyable, its a drug delivery system, not an enjoyable activity in and of itself. No one ever enjoys the first drag they ever take from a cigarette. Would you enjoy bending over a burning plastic bag and inhaling? Only a small fraction of cigarettes smoked are truly enjoyable, the rest are quickly sucked down before getting on a tram, or smoked on the way from point a to point b because of habit or boredom in addition to addiction. I don't think this applies so much to more natural tobacco products, but cigarettes are generally not "good tobacco", they're stems and floor sweepings that have foul additives designed to make them burn faster and be more addictive. Not to mention, in supporting these companies, you're supporting companies that market addictive and deadly products to children, because that's the only way they can ensure lasting profits.

As far as second hand smoke goes, aside from the painfully obvious (if inhaling filtered cigarette smoke is so dangerous, how on earth could inhaling the unfiltered smoke from the burning end of the cigarette be harmless?), I'd like to quote the Phillip Morris website. (JordanBarrZurich 86, I suggest you contact them immediately, as the second largest tobacco company in the world, as well as the World Health Organization, seems to be unware of your exhaustive research and discoveries as to the harmlessness of secondhand smoke!)

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Secondhand smoke, also known as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a combination of the smoke produced from the lit end of a cigarette and the smoke exhaled by smokers.
Public health authorities, including the WHO, have concluded that secondhand smoke causes diseases, including lung cancer and heart disease, in non-smoking adults, as well as conditions in children such as asthma, respiratory infections, cough, wheezing, otitis media (middle ear infection) and sudden infant death syndrome. In addition, public health officials have concluded that secondhand smoke can exacerbate adult asthma and cause eye, throat, and nasal irritation.
The public should be informed about these conclusions and guided by them in deciding whether to be in places where secondhand smoke is present, or, if they are smokers, when and where to smoke around others. Smokers should not smoke around children or pregnant women.
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It's enjoyable like huffing glue is enjoyable, its a drug delivery system, not an enjoyable activity in and of itself. No one ever enjoys the first drag they ever take from a cigarette. Would you enjoy bending over a burning plastic bag and inhaling? Only a small fraction of cigarettes smoked are truly enjoyable, the rest are quickly sucked down before getting on a tram, or smoked on the way from point a to point b because of habit or boredom in addition to addiction. I don't think this applies so much to more natural tobacco products, but cigarettes are generally not "good tobacco", they're stems and floor sweepings that have foul additives designed to make them burn faster and be more addictive. Not to mention, in supporting these companies, you're supporting companies that market addictive and deadly products to children, because that's the only way they can ensure lasting profits.

As far as second hand smoke goes, aside from the painfully obvious (if inhaling filtered cigarette smoke is so dangerous, how on earth could inhaling the unfiltered smoke from the burning end of the cigarette be harmless?), I'd like to quote the Phillip Morris website. (JordanBarrZurich 86, I suggest you contact them immediately, as the second largest tobacco company in the world, as well as the World Health Organization, seems to be unware of your exhaustive research and discoveries as to the harmlessness of secondhand smoke!)
read the studies
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