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Old 16.08.2012, 14:15
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There was nothing to correct.
/disagree.... he was correcting someone saying your, in reference to your are, or you're... but he said you should correct your you'res with that ugly "s" on the end...

no doubt he knew it was incorrect, but my point was... if you really want to pick at someones spelling or grammar, unless you are being udderly (yes, not utterly -like a long ago post no one got that I did on purpose) sarcastic, which, he was not... then, at least do it properly without making your own mistakes

i use poor grammar all the time either for effect, laziness, or just because, which is fine... but, I would not do it to point out someone else having a problem in that area, and in the process do it it wrong myself

hope that clears up the confusion... where is that Miss Othmar when I need her???
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Old 16.08.2012, 14:26
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Wiki

Ha I rest my case!

Give up, losing battle !
So is Wikipedia wrong about the list of bodies that supports a link between passive smoke and health risks, or are the 2 huge tobacco companies, 174 countries, and every major health organization wrong, whereas you are right?

Please clarify.
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Old 16.08.2012, 14:43
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So is Wikipedia wrong about the list of bodies that supports a link between passive smoke and health risks, or are the 2 huge tobacco companies, 174 countries, and every major health organization wrong, whereas you are right?

Please clarify.
Technically yes. I am right based on the actual studies themselves, the studies the WHO and all the organisations you speak of carried out. They are telling you 30% of the story, read it yourself as I keep imploring you and anyone else to do.

ALso, please read my posts properly I have explained all of this.

I will break it down quickly, bluntly and simply, for the last time as I have explained all this before in this thread and other threads:
  • circa 40 studies have been held
  • from memory, less than a third proved a link, about 13 I think, was a about a year ago I read all this so maybe bit off on total studies held and which number proved links to suit claim of link to bad health. But it was less than a 1/3
  • some studies showed passive smoking actually provided a resistance
  • the links found in the studies for harmful effects were very minute
  • when such studies take place in science, to establish the links certain things have to whatever the study maybe, there are certain ratios applied for the probabilites, strength of argument, etc etc. To strengthern the claims, they lowered these ratios, but still had very weak flimsy evidence.
  • Technically, a link was found in some studies, but akin to 0.00000001% if you like. A link none the less you might say.
  • The WHO, as they admit, selected snippets of the evidence to suit their argument. Data manipulation, happens all the time with sport, politics, economy etc etc
  • The overall aim was to try and bring about smoke free working and dining environments. Morally correct in my opinion. They have achieved this, and will champion the cause of course
  • The result was a bandwagon of anti's believing every whiff of smoke at the bus stop was killing them.
  • Lastly, a lot of the studies where a link was found, were extreme concentrated environments i.e. come join me and 50 smokers in 20m2 air tight green house for a few years and you MIGHT increase your chances of suffering ill effects.
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Old 16.08.2012, 14:54
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/disagree.... he was correcting someone saying your, in reference to your are, or you're... but he said you should correct your you'res with that ugly "s" on the end...
Never mind. Clearly this is beyond you.

Just so I know, how would you write the plural of you're when you are using it as the object of the sentence?

You could reformulate the sentence, but that would be cheating. I'll even give you some clues - think Ps and Qs.

I wait with baited breath... or maybe not.
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Old 16.08.2012, 15:01
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Never mind. Clearly this is beyond you.

Just so I know, how would you write the plural of you're when you are using it as the object of the sentence?

You could reformulate the sentence, but that would be cheating. I'll even give you some clues - think Ps and Qs.

I wait with baited breath... or maybe not.
it's clearly beyond me.. but for the record, you are talking about a singular subject "you" ... now, if you are referring to multi personalities, then maybe you are on to something... either way... your English and mine are clearly based on two different languages and, I will take the passive aggressive approach and leave it with, you're right, I'm wrong

edit: sorry... you'res right... I'ms wrong
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it's clearly beyond me.. but for the record, you are talking about a singular subject "you"
Nope. He (and the other posters who are all correct, unlike you) is referring to the WORD, and hence noun "you're". To make it plural you add an "s".

As an example question: How many times did the word "you're" appear in the text? How many "you're"s are there? Without the double quotes, one gets to you'res. It works for any word.
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Old 16.08.2012, 16:00
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Yes i think you are addicted. Why else do you you want to put smoke in your lungs? The enjoyment factor is the addiction lying to you. The nicotine addiction doesnt need to be 20 per day to qualify you as an addict.
I smoke about one cigarette/year.

Cigars, more often, but I don't get cigar smoke in my lungs!

(and even with cigars, it can be up to several years between)

The only smoke I'm addicted to is wood smoke.

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I'll even give you some clues - think Ps and Qs.
although I hate pissing matches about grammar, your example is off-based because P and Q are abbreviations. "you're", on the other hand, is actually two words combined via contraction, not an abbreviation.

I have no idea whether use of "you're", or any other contraction for that matter, as a plural noun is grammatically correct in any setting or context, but for sure it would be mind-numbing syntactically and I would be loathe to take grammatical counsel from the author. for example, would you try to use "let's" as a noun, and how in the name of Stunk or White would you make it plural?

sorry, back to bickering about smokers.

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Re: Smokers Vs Non-smokers

Jeez! Could we please just keep on arguing about smoking on this thread and not the fact that people can't spell properly?
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Old 16.08.2012, 16:44
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Jeez! Could we please just keep on arguing about smoking on this thread and not the fact that people can't spell properly?
but....

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although I hate pissing matches about grammar, your example is off-based because P and Q are abbreviations. "you're", on the other hand, is actually two words combined via contraction, not an abbreviation.

I have no idea whether use of "you're", or any other contraction for that matter, as a plural noun is grammatically correct in any setting or context,
Grammatically correct? This was the internet, last time I looked.
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Jeez! Could we please just keep on arguing about smoking on this thread and not the fact that people can't spell properly?
I think we should argue about whether or not we should keep this thread on topic.



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I think we should argue about whether or not we should keep this thread on topic.



No, we should not.
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Jeez! Could we please just keep on arguing about smoking on this thread and not the fact that people can't spell properly?
oh, we won't let the smoking issue die, but tell me any other thread where it doesn't go in five directions
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Yes. You will die.

And if one does not smoke, one will not die?
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for example, would you try to use "let's" as a noun, and how in the name of Stunk or White would you make it plural?
Let'ses
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And if one does not smoke, one will not die?
Non Smokers have a tendancy to live forever!!!!

Or die trying!
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Old 16.08.2012, 17:55
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Jeez! Could we please just keep on arguing about smoking on this thread and not the fact that people can't spell properly?
Well at least we might reach a conclusion on that point...

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Surely it's: u'zis right I'zis wrong
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Surely it's: u'zis right I'zis wrong
Why has everyone started writing like Gollum...?
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Ok, so as a smoker, I respect other people's problem with passive smoking, but in an open public space if I am sitting down waiting for tram etc. and someone sits beside me (and I am there first) and then they throw looks at me for smoking...Well tough Sh*t. If I am there first, to be honest it is your own fault for sitting beside me.

And now this is really setting myself up for attack but...at the end of the day I think us smokers and heavier-than-the-norm drinkers are a lot more fun than the ones tip-toeing to death anyway!

Discuss?

Tell us, how did you start smoking? What made you do it in the first place?

For me, I somehow was born with the unrelenting disgust with the smell of smoke and smokers, so it was never an option...
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