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Australia is an isolated island, therefore making it easier to control what's coming in (or not) to the country.

US is attached to Mexico, one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
The big, beautiful Wall will take care of that problem -- leaving only those lethal Canadians to worry about.

In any case, I didn't know that all guns sold in gun shops in the US are smuggled from Mexico.
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Old 16.02.2018, 11:12
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Again, did you actually read the piece before you posted that link? The author states that she is anti-guns, has done some unqualified and incomplete "research" (no mention of her "findings" on British gun control), yet still supports various forms of gun control.

So what was your point again?
That gun control won't prevent mass shootings, obvs.
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The big, beautiful Wall will take care of that problem -- leaving only those lethal Canadians to worry about.
Dems still don't get it!

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In any case, I didn't know that all guns sold in gun shops in the US are smuggled from Mexico.
Point is, if you try to ban all firearms then they will still be available on the black market - it will probably make it much harder for a legally abiding citizen to obtain a gun, but criminals probably won't find it too difficult to procure one.
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Ladies and gents, this is the usual response to a Jihadi terrorist (or any) terrorist attack, from the liberals.

1. Wait 24-48 hours.Do nothing and let everyone calm down.
2. Find a way to show everyone that the guy was mentally ill or that he was a lone wolf. Take the focus away from Islam.
3. When the inevitable debate about Islam begins, introduce doubt that controls on Muslims would actually help reduce terrorist attacks.
4. Continue to muddy the issue by casting blame on the terrorist, his background, his associates, and twist the debate to blame the alt-right and/or Katie Hopkins, and/or mental health issues. Keep introducing new issues and fragmenting the topic.
5. Eventually, everyone will get fed up and the news cycle will move on.

Congratulations, you've handled another terrorist attack.

In truth, there is never any danger of any meaningful restrictions being passed, since the politicians, on both sides, haven't been willing to confront the issue for a long long time.

Modern Europe.
See what I did there?
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Old 16.02.2018, 11:37
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It is an irrefutable truth that violence permeates US culture

Moreover, US politicians are indeed useless due to being members of a bipartisan 'oligarchy of unlimited political bribery' yet they are only representatives of the people

Waiting for change to be crafted by the corrupt legislators without demanding that change ensures reliance on prayer which has predictably not done a damn thing to change anything - Apathy has rarely been a precursor for anything other than more of the same

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Point is, if you try to ban all firearms then they will still be available on the black market - it will probably make it much harder for a legally abiding citizen to obtain a gun, but criminals probably won't find it too difficult to procure one.
The killers in most mass shootings aren't criminals (before their killing spree).
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That gun control won't prevent mass shootings, obvs.
Of course not, no single measure has 100% success rate, not even when it comes with the death penalty. But in all likelihood they'd be significantly reduced.
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Old 16.02.2018, 12:10
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Australia is an isolated island, therefore making it easier to control what's coming in (or not) to the country.

US is attached to Mexico, one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
There are 6 times as many gun deaths in the US versus Mexico, the Mexicans should build the wall!

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Old 16.02.2018, 12:14
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There are 6 times as many gunS deaths in the US versus Mexico, the Mexicans should build the wall!

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FTFY.

Mexico has five times the murder rate, however, despite the 1/6 the guns of the US.

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See what I did there?
So US gun owners are as bad as Islamic extremists?
Fair enough.
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Ladies and gents, this is the usual response to a school (or any) mass shooting, from the gun nuts.

1. Wait 24-48 hours.Do nothing and let everyone calm down.
2. Find a way to show everyone that the guy was mentally ill or that he was a terrorist. Take focus away from the gun.
3. When the inevitable debate about gun control begins, introduce doubt that gun control laws would actually help reduce mass shootings.
4. Continue to muddy the issue by casting blame on the shooter, his background, his associates, and twist the debate to blame immigration and/or the federal government, and/or mental health issues. Keep introducing new issues and fragmenting the topic.
5. Eventually, everyone will get fed up and the news cycle will move on.

Congratulations, you've handled another mass shooting.

The article posted above is Step 3.

In truth, there is never any danger of any meaningful gun laws being passed, since the politicians, on both sides, have been bought and paid for a long, long time ago.

Modern America.
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See what I did there?
Ladies and gentlemen, we have moved on to step 4 : introducing new issues and fragmenting the topic.

Terrorist attacks on European soil have nothing to do with mass shooting in us schools, and loz likely knows that - but that won't stop loz muddying the issue at hand.
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Of course not, no single measure has 100% success rate, not even when it comes with the death penalty. But in all likelihood they'd be significantly reduced.
Would it though? Americans have had access to guns for centuries, but these mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon. In other countries where there is easy access to guns, schools aren't shot up not nearly as frequently. This indicates that it is rather a cultural issue than a gun issue.

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There are 6 times as many gun deaths in the US versus Mexico, the Mexicans should build the wall! :
They already have a wall, built to keep out bad hombres from the south - yet when the US wants the same then people cry foul!
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Would it though? Americans have had access to guns for centuries, but these mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon. In other countries where there is easy access to guns, schools aren't shot up not nearly as frequently. This indicates that it is rather a cultural issue than a gun issue.

Other countries dont have such a stupid gun culture.

So the choice is either change the law or change the culture.

One of those things is far easier to change right now than the other.

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Old 16.02.2018, 12:57
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So US gun owners are as bad as Islamic extremists?
Fair enough.
The effect is the same.

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Would it though? Americans have had access to guns for centuries, but these mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon. In other countries where there is easy access to guns, schools aren't shot up not nearly as frequently. This indicates that it is rather a cultural issue than a gun issue.

How about trial and error? (The error should it not have the desired effect won't really be tragic though, will it). It is also a totally logic reaction. If you stand before a man with a gun you try to make him lose it So what one does is not let him have it (easily) in the first place.

I'm sure you're right re cultural issue (not that I haven't mentioned that already). If it were up to me I would study the school system. It's students mostly who go wild. They must be very desperate and nobody is born desperate.
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This indicates that it is rather also a cultural issue than a gun issue.
With that FTFY I agree. Just like there's no single cure there's also more than one reason for the current situation.
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Australia is an isolated island, therefore making it easier to control what's coming in (or not) to the country.

US is attached to Mexico, one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
So what and Europe is attached to the Balkans and Russia, the Middle East and Asia? We dont have the ridiculous amount of gun atrocities as the US.

Australia is a continent, arms and drug smugglers would find a way to get guns anyway. Its the legal guns that are the problem.

I loved your comment so much I had to add this. America is one of the most dangerous countries in the world, both whithin and outside of its own borders. I think the Mexicans would be better off keeping the septics out of places like Cancun and Tijuana, because they just attract the crime. Plus and this is another point, Cartel crime is pretty much the direct result of Americas insatiable demand for drugs and the American war on drugs.
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Would it though? Americans have had access to guns for centuries, but these mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon. In other countries where there is easy access to guns, schools aren't shot up not nearly as frequently. This indicates that it is rather a cultural issue than a gun issue.
And what do you do to children who can't be trusted to play with their toys properly. That's right, you confiscate them.
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Dems still don't get it!


Point is, if you try to ban all firearms then they will still be available on the black market - it will probably make it much harder for a legally abiding citizen to obtain a gun, but criminals probably won't find it too difficult to procure one.
Your average hard working and decent criminal is not the one doing the mass shooting, are they? I believe they like to keep it strictly business. Mass shootings are either terrorist nutjobs or bitter twisted video gamers with massive chips on their shoulders. Point is its easier to have control on weapons if the majority are not carrying them around. There will always be a black market, but then the cops can just shoot at anyone carrying a weapon first as they will all be illegal.
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There will always be a black market, but then the cops can just shoot at anyone carrying a weapon first as they will all be illegal.
So had the school shooter obtained his weapon illegally then this tragedy could have been prevented as the police would have been able to shoot him?
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Would it though? Americans have had access to guns for centuries, but these mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon. In other countries where there is easy access to guns, schools aren't shot up not nearly as frequently. This indicates that it is rather a cultural issue than a gun issue.

Wonder if there's any correlation between that graph and the weapons used, i.e. if those used in the 1960s and 70s were different from those used later or, for instance, if the surge from the 1980s onwards had anything to do with a change in the availability of weapons and/or more powerful weapons.
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